Debate: Will the Coronavirus outbreak affect the reefing community

[banasophia]

1 hour ago, ShaneMiami said:

Nobody is mandating retirees come back. People are choosing to help. There are a lot of retirees that are doing this, and I’m sure some will be giving their life to help others. 

 

https://time.com/5810120/retired-health-care-workers-coronavirus/

 

That’s awesome they are doing that, and they have so much to offer, but I personally wouldn’t want to encourage those people to get back to the “front lines” working in the hospitals... that just seems like sending lambs to the slaughter to me. 
 

My mom is a retired nurse and grandad is a retired physician, and I wouldn’t want them coming out of retirement like that with their risk factors; they would be extremely likely to rapidly catch the virus themselves and wind up on the ventilators using more resources... but I am sure there Is a way we as a society can get creative and find ways for higher risk people to still help. 

 

One of my current patients is an older guy that told me he’s actually training young people in his community as CERT (Crisis Emergency Response Team) volunteers. Seems to make good sense to have healthy young people help on the front lines, since they are less likely to be at serious risk. 

 

https://www.ready.gov/cert

 

 

[Tamberav]

Those coming back to help are probably not working the ED unless they used to be recently retired ED staff.

 

That area is probably the greatest risk and most chaos right now...and ICU. Both areas need different training then floor nursing as so on. 

 

As long as the hospital has PPE then they can protect themselves.

 

Some floors also don't have covid pts (or try) because those floors are dedicated to pts that are at risk like geriatric floors or oncology floors.

 

If you look what they had some of the retirees coming back doing...they had those nurses phoning covid + pts to walk them through the guidelines and such. No physical contact with pts at all.

 

19 minutes ago, banasophia said:

 

https://time.com/5810120/retired-health-care-workers-coronavirus/

 

That’s awesome they are doing that, and they have so much to offer, but I personally wouldn’t want to encourage it. That just seems like sending lambs to the slaughter to me. 
 

My mom is a retired nurse and grandad is a retired physician, and I wouldn’t want them coming out of retirement like that with their risk factors; they would be extremely likely to rapidly catch the virus themselves and wind up on the ventilators using more resources... I am sure there Is a way we as a society can get creative and find ways for higher risk people to still help. 

 

One of my current patients is an older guy that told me he’s actually training young people in his community as CERT (Crisis Emergency Response Team) volunteers. Seems to make good sense to have healthy young people help on the front lines, since they are less likely to be at serious risk. 

 

https://www.ready.gov/cert

 

 

 

 

[Clown79]

16 hours ago, squamptonbc said:

Our curve here in British Columbia seems to be flattening a bit, and the spread appears to be slowing down, people for the most part have been taking it seriously.

 

Percentage rate of growth has dropped to about 10% according to the provincial health officer, and since our peak on March 24th our curve has been pretty flat, its not climbing massively, and seems to be slowly dropping.

 

Of course life wont return to normal here right away, still probably have another month at least and unless the US gets things under control travel between the Canada and the US will be restricted until they do.

 

Not sure how the rest of Canada is doing, but we are doing well fortunately in BC for the most part and keeping hospitalizations and deaths relatively low and 45% of the confirmed cases have now recovered which is good.

My only concern with Canada's reports is that we have only tested 5% of the population. We have 36, 000, 000 ppl- 184,000 have been tested with thousand awaiting results. Some have waited 13 days and still don't know! 

  therefore how many ppl actually have the virus, how many are spreading it going to work or groceries? 

 

 

The numbers aren't accurate when you aren't testing the vast majority and telling ppl to just stay home when sick.

 

I know numerous ppl who were told they didn't need the test, it didn't sound like covid- yet they were around travelers returned(who didn't self isolate and others that were sick) and these ppl had the standard symptoms.

 

A report said our numbers were dropping- I'm not sure if something changed in mathematics since I've been out of school but this doesn't look like dropping.

 

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All specialists, the WHO, the countries that have recovered all said the same thing testing is key, extreme measures is key. 

 

So I am now at the point of being very hesitant on believing anything we are being told.

[Lypto]

It's not really feasible to contain this now, with ebola it was possible to contain due to isolated cases and transmission requiring bodily fluids. In our city the national guard is deploying tanks and armored personal carriers in anticipation for trouble. It is feasible to slog through it, and the whole idea of flattening the curve is sort of an airbag. There's still so many people just carrying on even though we're on lockdown. I saw a guy just cough into his hand and then proceed to handle a bunch of the fruit in the supermarket. Petco was still open so I could get some food for my geckos but the workers don't have sick leave or really the means to not work so they have to show up even if sick. Little worried as I think my heater has started to malfunction, tank has been at a solid 68*F and the corals are not happy, though the GSP, gorgonians and mushrooms are fine. 

[ECLS Reefer]

10 minutes ago, Lypto said:

It's not really feasible to contain this now, with ebola it was possible to contain due to isolated cases and transmission requiring bodily fluids. In our city the national guard is deploying tanks and armored personal carriers in anticipation for trouble. It is feasible to slog through it, and the whole idea of flattening the curve is sort of an airbag. There's still so many people just carrying on even though we're on lockdown. I saw a guy just cough into his hand and then proceed to handle a bunch of the fruit in the supermarket. Petco was still open so I could get some food for my geckos but the workers don't have sick leave or really the means to not work so they have to show up even if sick. Little worried as I think my heater has started to malfunction, tank has been at a solid 68*F and the corals are not happy, though the GSP, gorgonians and mushrooms are fine. 

Flattening here curve is a hopeful plan but isn’t meant to stop the spread of this. Merely to slow down the need of people requiring hospitalization and supplies. Not sure if we think it’s working or not. If they shut the US down like China or Italy people would starve and most likely riot, because being forcibly quarantined is not something Americans will tolerate. Some grade of carrying on is necessary 🤷🏻‍♀️

[ef4life]

After all this panic is over I really hope more average everyday people that just float through life without a care - in the USA, and around the world - start to seriously prepare for another event, and I don’t mean become an extreme doomsday prepper, but have a plan worked out with your family/close friends, keep your situational awareness up, stock enough food for at least a month for their families, have some stock of various supplies etc to make it through for a decent amount of time for when things get really bad.

[ECLS Reefer]

9 minutes ago, ef4life said:

After all this panic is over I really hope more average everyday people that just float through life without a care - in the USA, and around the world - start to seriously prepare for another event, and I don’t mean become an extreme doomsday prepper, but have a plan worked out with your family/close friends, keep your situational awareness up, stock enough food for at least a month for their families, have some stock of various supplies etc to make it through for a decent amount of time for when things get really bad.

They won’t, because contemplating death or the end of the world or even negative impact events isn’t a popular thing to do these days. This is the happier, feel good, everybody must be nice time; the last few generations of people really aren’t grounded in cold reality like previous war-borne generations. Soon as this is over I bet the bulk of humanity gets right back to life as close to it was before this started, like nothing happened.

 

 

meanwhile, the rest of humanity is reeling over Tiger King. 😳

[kimberbee]

Ok, I really don't mean to get too deep or political, I'm genuinely curious... 

 

Wasn't H1N1 pretty deadly in 2009? I was 23 and honestly really didn't pay attention to the goings on in the world, but I feel like I would have remembered if it had gotten so bad that things got shut down? 

 

Is it because of what happened with H1N1 that there's such a response this time? 

[squamptonbc]

9 hours ago, Clown79 said:

My only concern with Canada's reports is that we have only tested 5% of the population. We have 36, 000, 000 ppl- 184,000 have been tested with thousand awaiting results. Some have waited 13 days and still don't know! 

  therefore how many ppl actually have the virus, how many are spreading it going to work or groceries? 

 

 

The numbers aren't accurate when you aren't testing the vast majority and telling ppl to just stay home when sick.

 

I know numerous ppl who were told they didn't need the test, it didn't sound like covid- yet they were around travelers returned(who didn't self isolate and others that were sick) and these ppl had the standard symptoms.

 

A report said our numbers were dropping- I'm not sure if something changed in mathematics since I've been out of school but this doesn't look like dropping.

 

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90

100

135

151

170

211

 

All specialists, the WHO, the countries that have recovered all said the same thing testing is key, extreme measures is key. 

 

So I am now at the point of being very hesitant on believing anything we are being told.

 

Seems to vary quite a lot province to province, we don't have a testing back log at the moment, the labs of course don't have unlimited capacity and that really is the limiting factor along with having adequate supply of whatever is needed to perform the test.

 

Results here from testing have no real backlog, a positive gets a call from public health, if no call within 72 hours there is a line to call to confirm a negative result, but no waiting weeks here for results.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ECLS Reefer]

37 minutes ago, kimberbee said:

Ok, I really don't mean to get too deep or political, I'm genuinely curious... 

 

Wasn't H1N1 pretty deadly in 2009? I was 23 and honestly really didn't pay attention to the goings on in the world, but I feel like I would have remembered if it had gotten so bad that things got shut down? 

 

Is it because of what happened with H1N1 that there's such a response this time? 

H1N1 is bad, but we have some bit of immunity to flu. Your body has seen flus of many varieties. Humans have NO immunity to covid 19, at least not yet. And there’s no vaccine, no ready medication to attenuate or treat covid. This will end up being much worse than flu, if any type. Maybe not death per capita because we’ve advanced much farther medically than in 1917, but still infection rate-wise

[kimberbee]

15 minutes ago, Dirté Sanchez said:

Humans have NO immunity to covid 19, at least not yet.

But aren't they saying it's possible people have it and are showing no symptoms? Isn't that some sort of immunity?

[ECLS Reefer]

1 minute ago, kimberbee said:

But aren't they saying it's possible people have it and are showing no symptoms? Isn't that some sort of immunity?

No it’s evidently just how it works in some people because they have no comorbidities for it to exploit. Those with weakened immune systems, underlying problems like diabetes, heart disease, lung disease, obesity and the like are going to be quicker, sicker victims. The ones who don’t show symptoms as bad as others would have a higher functioning immune system but not immunity to it. That would imply their immune system saw it fought it and they never got sick. These silent carriers evidently have some symptoms but they’re dismissed as a cold or allergies.

[Clown79]

The problem with this virus is the complexities to it. The lack of immunity, no cure, no vaccine. 

 

We've had ppl die that weren't elderly nor had any underlying health issues. Then there are ppl with health issues dying, some surviving.

 

There are very old ppl surviving while others aren't.

 

Even symptoms have varied, length of incubation period is different between many, asymptomatic ppl(they have it but no symptoms- so carriers)

 

When you read all the different cases, even each countries different experiences with it- it really is quite complex. 

 

 

[Sancho]

I quit just gonna get drunk....I can’t with this for another month...if it takes me out so be it 

[Sancho]

Pretty sure after today’s press conference there’s gonna be another run at Waco’s hoarding shit...hell the local gun  store had a line 30 + deep Just try to buy ammo 

[Sancho]

This gonna get uglier 

[EthanPhillyCheesesteak]

I’ve been hearing mixed reviews about the virus tbh, I’ve heard that it will only kill people who are older or really young, but I also heard that it can kill anyone. And people who smoke are really vulnerable.

[Tamberav]

11 minutes ago, EthanPhillyCheesesteak said:

I’ve been hearing mixed reviews about the virus tbh, I’ve heard that it will only kill people who are older or really young, but I also heard that it can kill anyone. And people who smoke are really vulnerable.

It actually doesn't seem to effect young children as much.

 

It can kill anyone. Young healthy people with no pre-existing illness have died. Age/smoking/respiratory disease/obesity/heart problems... and so on.... are all greater risk factors if higher morbidity/mortality. 

 

Young people can also be carriers/asymptomatic... have it and not know and then make their family members sick. They should stay away from grandma. 

[A.m.P]

2 minutes ago, EthanPhillyCheesesteak said:

I’ve been hearing mixed reviews about the virus tbh, I’ve heard that it will only kill people who are older or really young, but I also heard that it can kill anyone. And people who smoke are really vulnerable.

20% or so will have severe symptoms, about 1 in 5 of those will require critical care, of those the demographic-split is about 4/10 between 25-55 and about 6/10 for over 55.
Around a third to half of those put on a ventilator with Ards will die (which rounds out to 2% if everyone can be treated-optimally).
Co-morbidities have been hammered, but actual statistics show about 30% additional risk skewed towards diabetics, renal-patients, and those with heart-conditions.

The only relevant demographics seem to be that those under 25 are at a significantly-lower risk and those over 60 are at substantially-higher-risk. 

[Clown79]

As more and more ppl get infected, they are learning more and more about this virus. What was believed to be mostly an issue for the elderly has become an issue for any age. 

 

Children are the least effected

 

 the young are less likely to have severe symptoms but it's no guarantee.

 

Italy has reported that although age and underlying health issues puts you at greater risk, its not always the case as many healthy individuals have died, they have numerous patients under 40 in ICU. 

 

Here in Ontario there are more ppl between 40-59 with the virus than 60+. 

We've had healthy ppl die.

 

That's the one thing they don't understand about covid. Why the symptoms and severity differ from one to another.

 

[banasophia]

My husband has family in New York City - his cousin, cousin’s wife, and their 8 year old daughter - they are all recovering from the virus right now, and he shared their experience with friends and family. Here are a couple of excerpts from his recent post about it that I thought I would share with you guys. I highlighted the part that resonated the most with me:
 

...

Thoughts: This virus is extremely contagious.  Many people have gotten sick that we know of.  If it isn't noticeably widespread in your area, that doesn't mean it isn't.  It takes time for the symptoms to appear, and by that time the virus has probably already spread a good deal.  However, the vast majority of the people who get it seem to recover.  It seems likely that you WILL be exposed to the virus at some point, and likely before a vaccine is available.

...

From my experience: In general, if you get it, you will probably feel like you are coming down with something and you may or may not get a fever.  You will most likely be exhausted.  Later on, you will come down with a very dry cough.  Your sense of smell and taste may be affected.  You will likely have body aches. You may have GI issues/diarrhea.  The scary part is that it doesn't feel like any illness you have ever had before, so you worry about what will come next, if you will develop shortness of breath, a very deep cough instead of a light one, and if your lungs will become infected.  Of course, the virus also seems to attack the whole body, so I would imagine that an attack on the lungs is not the only thing to be concerned about.

 

 

 

I also just read this article, with someone telling his firsthand experience being treated in the ICU and recovering and being discharged. I liked it, and thought I would share in case you haven’t seen it:

https://apple.news/ARlliMS64QdiB6J4GJ08ekQ

[This guy is extra salty]

Update!!

now I’m making covid patient shields for doctors. ( another company in the UK is doing the same thing but different design)

seriously stay the fck home, only go out when it’s absolutely necessary. 
Going straight to Barnes Jewish

they don’t have a truck so they sent an ambulance 

[Clown79]

2 hours ago, banasophia said:

My husband has family in New York City - his cousin, cousin’s wife, and their 8 year old daughter - they are all recovering from the virus right now, and he shared their experience with friends and family. Here are a couple of excerpts from his recent post about it that I thought I would share with you guys. I highlighted the part that resonated the most with me:
 

...

Thoughts: This virus is extremely contagious.  Many people have gotten sick that we know of.  If it isn't noticeably widespread in your area, that doesn't mean it isn't.  It takes time for the symptoms to appear, and by that time the virus has probably already spread a good deal.  However, the vast majority of the people who get it seem to recover.  It seems likely that you WILL be exposed to the virus at some point, and likely before a vaccine is available.

...

From my experience: In general, if you get it, you will probably feel like you are coming down with something and you may or may not get a fever.  You will most likely be exhausted.  Later on, you will come down with a very dry cough.  Your sense of smell and taste may be affected.  You will likely have body aches. You may have GI issues/diarrhea.  The scary part is that it doesn't feel like any illness you have ever had before, so you worry about what will come next, if you will develop shortness of breath, a very deep cough instead of a light one, and if your lungs will become infected.  Of course, the virus also seems to attack the whole body, so I would imagine that an attack on the lungs is not the only thing to be concerned about.

 

 

 

I also just read this article, with someone telling his firsthand experience being treated in the ICU and recovering and being discharged. I liked it, and thought I would share in case you haven’t seen it:

https://apple.news/ARlliMS64QdiB6J4GJ08ekQ

So many ppl out there sharing their experiences and yet we still have ppl who just don't believe the severity of it. 

 

I guess for those, ignorance is really bliss- until they or their family get it.

 

I know ppl that were mocking it, until it got close to him- 

 

 

My hubby works with many of these "it's just a flu" ppl. He is being diligent and enforced they stay 6ft away from him but not much else he can do.

 

Very scary times.

 

Everyone stay as safe as possible!

[Melfy77]

53 minutes ago, Clown79 said:

So many ppl out there sharing their experiences and yet we still have ppl who just don't believe the severity of it. 

 

I guess for those, ignorance is really bliss- until they or their family get it.

 

I know ppl that were mocking it, until it got close to him- 

 

 

My hubby works with many of these "it's just a flu" ppl. He is being diligent and enforced they stay 6ft away from him but not much else he can do.

 

Very scary times.

 

Everyone stay as safe as possible!

It's also scary because you just dont know how sick you'll get. You might have mild symptoms or you might end up in ICU. 

I got a phone call this morning saying I was reassigned to paperwork stuff; no more close contact with patients or coworkers. 19 weeks pregnant with my 3rd child I have to say it's a huge relief!!!

[Clown79]

55 minutes ago, Melfy77 said:

It's also scary because you just dont know how sick you'll get. You might have mild symptoms or you might end up in ICU. 

I got a phone call this morning saying I was reassigned to paperwork stuff; no more close contact with patients or coworkers. 19 weeks pregnant with my 3rd child I have to say it's a huge relief!!!

Exactly.

 

I'm glad you are now in a situation that protects you.