TheKleinReef Posted February 7, 2014 Author Share Posted February 7, 2014 removed all acropora. seriously considering taking the whole damn tank down. idk wtf is going on. expect a huge FS thread in the near future. Quote Link to comment
NanoTopia Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 removed all acropora. seriously considering taking the whole damn tank down. idk wtf is going on. expect a huge FS thread in the near future. NO No NO NO No 1 Quote Link to comment
TheKleinReef Posted February 7, 2014 Author Share Posted February 7, 2014 NO i just can't do this anymore. everytime i come home there's a nightmare. yet everytime i move the coral to the frag tank it recovers. what's the point of having an SPS display if no SPS will survive in it? I'd rather enjoy a healthy frag tank than a stressful display any day. 3 Quote Link to comment
NanoTopia Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 i just can't do this anymore. everytime i come home there's a nightmare. yet everytime i move the coral to the frag tank it recovers. what's the point of having an SPS display if no SPS will survive in it? I'd rather enjoy a healthy frag tank than a stressful display any day. I do understand, nothing worse than seeing things die in a tank. What about converting it to LPS or a nem tank like Mr. Microscope's conversion. Just an option to selling it. Quote Link to comment
TheKleinReef Posted February 7, 2014 Author Share Posted February 7, 2014 I do understand, nothing worse than seeing things die in a tank. What about converting it to LPS or a nem tank like Mr. Microscope's conversion. Just an option to selling it.Mom likes LPS. Might just do that... Maybe give zoas a try. Sucks when you can't keep the coral you want the most for mystery reasons. You think it could be the lights? That's the only difference since things started going south 1 Quote Link to comment
metrokat Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 I'm sorry Roger. Convert it to other corals like Christine suggested. And you know what, keep hardy fool proof hard to kill SPS like birds nest and pocilloporas to test the waters. Dont give up. 1 Quote Link to comment
MikeTR Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Easy way to tell if it's your lights. Put a frag on the sandbed and see how it fairs. I've Rtn'd a birdsnest in a day by putting it in too much light, however I cannot explain why my tubs birdsnest does well up top but my magenta bird only does well near the sand. I've also had encrusting montis grow from dime sized frags to about 2" in diameter and then bleach out and recede. Quote Link to comment
metrokat Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 I had an ALK/Calcium swing which took it's toll on a few SPS. They STNd and wouldn't stop even after fragging. I was making changes too rapidly to correct the swing which did not help either. I'm moving more slowly now and for the moment the problem has not persisted. Quote Link to comment
TheKleinReef Posted February 7, 2014 Author Share Posted February 7, 2014 Dont give up.One more strike and I'm done with this tank. Thanks for the support though. ;/ Easy way to tell if it's your lights. Put a frag on the sandbed and see how it fairs. I've Rtn'd a birdsnest in a day by putting it in too much light, however I cannot explain why my tubs birdsnest does well up top but my magenta bird only does well near the sand. I've also had encrusting montis grow from dime sized frags to about 2" in diameter and then bleach out and recede. i guess it's not the lights. acros from top to bottom all began to STN. Quote Link to comment
Asureef Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Have you tested for stray voltage? Last resort I'll probably try is dumping food in the tank daily, something like live phyto. and oyster feast every night. Try growing some algae on those rocks. Quote Link to comment
MikeTR Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Stn from bottom up? Quote Link to comment
TheKleinReef Posted February 7, 2014 Author Share Posted February 7, 2014 Have you tested for stray voltage? Last resort I'll probably try is dumping food in the tank daily, something like live phyto. and oyster feast every night. Try growing some algae on those rocks. how would i test for stray voltage? i'l do a quick google now. i've been feeding daily and running the skimmer less. i finally have some brown/green algae on the glass and rocks. Stn from bottom up? yep. slowly. very slowly. <1cm per week Quote Link to comment
MikeTR Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 That's indicative of low alk. 1 Quote Link to comment
TheKleinReef Posted February 7, 2014 Author Share Posted February 7, 2014 That's indicative of low alk. i tried slowly (very slowly) raising and lowering alk. from 9.0 to 7.5 STN occurred. Quote Link to comment
MikeTR Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Taken a water sample into the Lfs for testing? Just to verify one of your kits isn't bad? Quote Link to comment
NanoTopia Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Mom likes LPS. Might just do that... Maybe give zoas a try. Sucks when you can't keep the coral you want the most for mystery reasons. You think it could be the lights? That's the only difference since things started going south Probably not your lights unless you are not running a long enough photo period. In any case I think it is likely chemistry causing the issue. "101 Reasons SPS STN"... #1. Alkalinity fluctuations, changes in alkalinity cause stress on corals resulting in STN. #2. Maricultured corals (in general), rapid change from NSW parameters, shipping stress, and introduction to an artificial seawater within a relatively short period of time, in many cases a couple of days. Extreme stress on the coral resulting in a gradual STN. #3. Salinity out of range, high or low salinity that falls out of NSW range, or out of range for a given species. #32. Too much or too aggressive carbon, tissue thins and begins to STN. Mystery cause because you can't test for it. #61. Lack of trace elements in the water, usage, lack of water changes, poor salt quality, over skimming, and skimming wet can deplete water of trace elements over time. #88. Relying on crappy test kits that give false readings and makes you over react to a situation that does not even exist. e.g.. Hanna Checkers. #101. Going on vacation and having an under qualified person take care of your tank. e.g.. babysitter. -- from my book LOL. 1 Quote Link to comment
SouthFlorida_Tron Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Sorry but can't help but laugh at the last one... 1 Quote Link to comment
TheKleinReef Posted February 7, 2014 Author Share Posted February 7, 2014 Chuckles help I guess. Hopefully whatever was stressing the sps in my 65 out doesn't make its way into the frag tank. 1 Quote Link to comment
NanoTopia Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Chuckles help I guess. Hopefully whatever was stressing the sps in my 65 out doesn't make its way into the frag tank. Ya, mostly just kidding around, the only chance you could transfer the problem to the other tank is if it was a bacterial infection or AEFW causing the STN. Otherwise I think your safe. Quote Link to comment
TheKleinReef Posted February 9, 2014 Author Share Posted February 9, 2014 after meticulously writing down everything i do (or is different) with each tank and compared the lists the only things that are different are: lighting: t5 vs halide relatively same photoperiod around 10H Waterchanges: frag tank gets 10G, display gets 5G. feeding: display gets fed way more sump with LR on frag tank vs. fuge/sump on display frag tank has 60x turn over for flow, display has 2 mp10wes pulse mode @ 75% (whatever turnover that is) + 600gph RP Quote Link to comment
markalot Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 So display is halide? Any chance IR is making it into the tank via a missing light shield? I don't do halide so I'm echoing what I've heard others ask, so the question might be silly. Quote Link to comment
TheKleinReef Posted February 9, 2014 Author Share Posted February 9, 2014 So display is halide? Any chance IR is making it into the tank via a missing light shield? I don't do halide so I'm echoing what I've heard others ask, so the question might be silly. frag tank is halide Quote Link to comment
Arkayology Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Maybe press the reset button on the tank? New rock, new sand, no water? Quote Link to comment
TheKleinReef Posted February 9, 2014 Author Share Posted February 9, 2014 Maybe press the reset button on the tank? New rock, new sand, no water? i want to. parents don't... Quote Link to comment
GtTap Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Roger did you check potassium to see if thats whats causing this problem? Quote Link to comment
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