jedimasterben Posted December 27, 2013 Author Share Posted December 27, 2013 Are you expecting this array to have approximately the same color temperature as your original? I see that it is almost the same ratio so I'm assuming that's what you mean. I'm just a little new to these terms lol If I'm not planning on running T5's would you suggest adding anything else to the clusters? Should be about the same look. You'll need cyan, but that's it. 4K white, RB, B, TV, HV, Cy. Link to comment
You_Wrasse_is_Mine Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 Is there any advantage to using both TV and HV? Link to comment
milfordguy Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 Should be about the same look. You'll need cyan, but that's it. 4K white, RB, B, TV, HV, Cy. Okay yeah I'm planning on adding 1 DR and 1 Cy to the cluster as well. Should be perfect. Were you able to find optics for the Vero? I think that one of the members used some optics on his mangrove build if I'm not mistaken. I just need to look into that I guess. Link to comment
jedimasterben Posted December 27, 2013 Author Share Posted December 27, 2013 Is there any advantage to using both TV and HV? I went back over the spectral characteristics of both and realized that the HV doesn't cover down as far as the TV does. Okay yeah I'm planning on adding 1 DR and 1 Cy to the cluster as well. Should be perfect. Were you able to find optics for the Vero? I think that one of the members used some optics on his mangrove build if I'm not mistaken. I just need to look into that I guess. Deep red isn't needed if using high-CRI chips, Philips or Bridgelux. The Vero chips are all different sizes - he is using Vero 18 or Vero 29, I can't remember, the reflectors for those are much too large - the total size of the Vero 10 is around 20mm, the Vero 29 is at least 29mm for the die alone. Link to comment
milfordguy Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 I went back over the spectral characteristics of both and realized that the HV doesn't cover down as far as the TV does. Deep red isn't needed if using high-CRI chips, Philips or Bridgelux. The Vero chips are all different sizes - he is using Vero 18 or Vero 29, I can't remember, the reflectors for those are much too large - the total size of the Vero 10 is around 20mm, the Vero 29 is at least 29mm for the die alone. Yeah I just checked it out, it looks like he's using Vero 18's and he said he was going to replace one of the BXRA's with a Vero 29. Link to comment
You_Wrasse_is_Mine Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 I used to run half TV and half HV. Then later switched to all HV because the HV I have from Steve's can handle 1000ma rather then the usual 700ma. It was virtually impossible to tell them apart even side by side other then the difference in intensity. I know Steve's are supposed to peak at around 420nm. I haven't compared with an LGB 430nm HV, but is there really any sort of advantage in growth/aesthetics? I would have to say absoluitly not other then the comfort of knowing that there is a slightly broader spectrum there. Link to comment
milfordguy Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 If I'm not mistaken, judging by the data sheets, you can run the Vero 10's at 350ma. Do you see a problem with me running 2 Vero 10's off of 1 700ma meanwell ldd. They would be wired in parallel of course. Link to comment
jedimasterben Posted December 28, 2013 Author Share Posted December 28, 2013 I used to run half TV and half HV. Then later switched to all HV because the HV I have from Steve's can handle 1000ma rather then the usual 700ma. It was virtually impossible to tell them apart even side by side other then the difference in intensity. I know Steve's are supposed to peak at around 420nm. I haven't compared with an LGB 430nm HV, but is there really any sort of advantage in growth/aesthetics? I would have to say absoluitly not other then the comfort of knowing that there is a slightly broader spectrum there. There are some fluorescent proteins that absorb in that almost-UV spectrum, but other than that, it's mostly just because I want to try it again with higher output diodes. If I'm not mistaken, judging by the data sheets, you can run the Vero 10's at 350ma. Do you see a problem with me running 2 Vero 10's off of 1 700ma meanwell ldd. They would be wired in parallel of course. The Vero10 are rated up to 700mA, but I'd imagine they can go beyond that if cooled properly. Link to comment
jedimasterben Posted December 28, 2013 Author Share Posted December 28, 2013 Got my Vero 10 in. Holy hell, they're tiny.I'm glad I ordered the wire connectors for them. Link to comment
milfordguy Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Wow those look nice. Those connectors are awesome. Did you end up getting them from Newark? Link to comment
jedimasterben Posted December 28, 2013 Author Share Posted December 28, 2013 No, Newark is out of them (or at least was, with no ETA when I ordered). Got them all from Digikey. Link to comment
milfordguy Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 No, Newark is out of them (or at least was, with no ETA when I ordered). Got them all from Digikey. I'm assuming the quick disconnects fit any model? That's what it looked like from one of the spec sheets I checked out. Link to comment
jedimasterben Posted December 28, 2013 Author Share Posted December 28, 2013 I think they're all the same. Link to comment
milfordguy Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 I think they're all the same. Are you going to use the same optics you intended to use on the BXRA's? Link to comment
KnH Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Jedi you mentioned with out the T-5s, you would add cyan. One to each cluster? or one cyan between the 2 clusters? Would adding a OCW add any useful color to the mix? Link to comment
jedimasterben Posted December 28, 2013 Author Share Posted December 28, 2013 Are you going to use the same optics you intended to use on the BXRA's? No lenses planned at the moment, but if I do, I'll have to come up with something different since the diodes are far smaller. Jedi you mentioned with out the T-5s, you would add cyan. One to each cluster? or one cyan between the 2 clusters? Would adding a OCW add any useful color to the mix? OCW stars are just blue, cyan, and deep red on one star. Deep red isn't really helpful in lieu of good white diodes, but you can add them if you'd like. You do not need a lot of cyan - I used six of them over my 80g tank and with them I could flood the entire tank with light, so I wouldn't go over 2-3x per 24"x24" area. Link to comment
You_Wrasse_is_Mine Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 ^+1 I can confirm this as well! Link to comment
just a noob Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 So are those vero 10s better than the old bridgelux chips you were using? Link to comment
jedimasterben Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 Depends on the definition of better. Pros - They're much smaller, a bit more efficient, higher total luminous output (2190lm vs 2081lm) at maximum current (700mA vs 1000mA) and lower power (20.0w vs 22.5w). Cons - No reflectors available, higher forward voltage (27v vs 22v), not solderable. As far as looks, the spectral curves are identical for the same color temperature, so they should look identical. Link to comment
just a noob Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I've been out of the loop for so long, what was the reason for the t5's in your setup? color? Link to comment
jedimasterben Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 The easy way to do distributed lighting, essentially. Just to fill in gaps and shadows. Link to comment
You_Wrasse_is_Mine Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Hey Ben, have you ordered your generic CB yet? I'm curious to here what you think of them. Link to comment
jedimasterben Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 Not yet, was waiting til the 1st to do it. Link to comment
jedimasterben Posted January 10, 2014 Author Share Posted January 10, 2014 Just bought four 4up LDD boards with a spot for an SCW from the man himself, O2Surplus! Should be here in a little bit. Now to just source some SCW05C-12! Link to comment
just a noob Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 what's that do? drop the voltage to 12v? Link to comment
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