.Newman. Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 have you considered a decaying cat carcass biotope? street cred and style points nice harder to find fish like what? try your LFS stores first, most fish we all discussed are common there. others can be found via Aqua Bid or possibly FW fish vendors like liveaquaria. Link to comment
supernip Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 awww yeah whipper snapper Link to comment
eschaton Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 cherry shrimp do just fine with numerous community fish. the fish also serve as a check to their population, but some babies will survive and grow to adult hood. You're not going to see them everywhere with lots of fish around, that's definitely true, but they will be in there, and in good numbers if the vegetation is nice and dense. The cherry shrimp should probably be introduced earlier to allow them to start breeding well. This is somewhat true, yes. Although it all depends upon the type of fish stocked. For example, in my experience sparkling/pygmy gouramis will always attack shrimp, despite barely being longer than the shrimp themselves. Also some loaches, including Botia sidmunki, are just terrible to keep with them. I'd be wary of keeping larger killies with them as well, given they also specialize in similar prey in the wild. Aiming for keeping the community non-aggressive and less likely to attack frogs that fall in the water, i think apistos, rams, and larger killies *might* be harmful. plus the other omnivorous fish being stocked are well capable of eating any insects that fall in the water. the gourami might be there for larger inverts like isopods. However if this really is a vivarium aiming for a biotope, then gourami is out among other things. I highly doubt an apisto or a ram would try and eat a frog. Admittedly, they are territorial, and could attack a frog which plunked into the water near their den, but the darts would be goners pretty quickly after hitting the water, regardless of what happened. so many options! I hadn't really considered doing a biotope since the plants aren't all native to Peru (which is where the frogs will be from). I like those options though. Where you would guys recommend finding some of those harder to find fish? Personally I'd go for a weak biotope (amazonian animals, but a bit fuzzier on the plants as needed). Most species within a region have close relatives elsewhere after all. It's not that bad to swap out a dull endemic for a closely-related, flashy species you can get in the hobby I always use fishbase for planning biotopes however. Look here The site is as slow as molasses, but an excellent resource. Perhaps use a mirror like this site. Nearly 900 species. Looking through the list, I see Panda Cories (among others, which there are many), Bleeding Heart Tetras, Neon Tetras, Rosy Tetras, Cockatoo Apistos, Marbled Hatchetfish, a whole bunch of otos and plecs. There are thus plenty of options to do a full Peruvian biotope you should be able to find at a LFS. Link to comment
Withers Posted August 16, 2011 Author Share Posted August 16, 2011 fun, more research! Link to comment
syngnathus Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 hey jason just curious is that a monsoon misting system you had on that viv? and any opinions on the monsoon vs the mist king? Link to comment
Withers Posted August 23, 2011 Author Share Posted August 23, 2011 i've only bought mist kings, and i would only recommend them. they're high quality and rock solid. I'm still using a system I bought 6 years ago on my small tank. It works as good as the day I bought it The monsoon system might be good too, but I know what goes into a mist king setup and wouldn't consider anything less. Link to comment
keydiver Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 i've only bought mist kings, and i would only recommend them. they're high quality and rock solid. I'm still using a system I bought 6 years ago on my small tank. It works as good as the day I bought it The monsoon system might be good too, but I know what goes into a mist king setup and wouldn't consider anything less. +10000, I went to the largest reptile expo in teh world this past weekend in daytona beach...mist king was there and I got to see their products in person, very very quality stuff. I'll be ordering mine soon. On a different note, I just started my new 18x18x18 exo terra build for terribilis. WOOHOO Link to comment
Giga Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 those bromeliads are pretty sick! Link to comment
Withers Posted August 23, 2011 Author Share Posted August 23, 2011 +10000, I went to the largest reptile expo in teh world this past weekend in daytona beach...mist king was there and I got to see their products in person, very very quality stuff. I'll be ordering mine soon. On a different note, I just started my new 18x18x18 exo terra build for terribilis. WOOHOO yay!!! do you have a thread up for it somewhere? those bromeliads are pretty sick! Thanks! Link to comment
keydiver Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 yay!!! do you have a thread up for it somewhere? Thanks! No thread yet, I just finished cutting the eggcrate today, but i'll put one up tomorrow hopefully if i'm not tied down with AP chem. work. Hoping to make a moving river, I know it cuts down on surface area and all but the aesthetics are too cool, plus it's gonna be really shallow. Link to comment
bluebastion Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 have you considered a decaying cat carcass biotope? street cred and style points I like your suggestions nip... but I still think your botfly idea is best: Link to comment
karatekid14 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 How are you keeping the frogs separate from the water? For fish since this is so south american, I would get 15 ember tetras, 10 dwarf corys, 5 otos, and a pair of Apisto. Check out this link for predicting water changes and http://aqadvisor.com/AqAdvisor.php?AquTank...archMode=simple It shows that the Apisto might get too agresive for the embers Link to comment
Withers Posted October 12, 2011 Author Share Posted October 12, 2011 The bottom sprung a leak about 2 weeks ago and dumped about 30 gallons of water on the floor. So now it will permanently be a vivarium instead of a paludarium I got the floor cleaned up, I'm just waiting on a guy to come and reinstall the carpet I pulled up before I move the tank back into place and work on fixing it. Other than that everything looks good. The plants are starting to grow in and aren't losing their color, so all's well. I'll take updated pics as soon as I get everything back in working order Link to comment
animalmaster6 Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 No more aquarium built in At least you'll have dart frogs. Link to comment
sublunary Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 That makes me so sad, I loved this project! I'm glad you're keeping the vivarium parts. Sorry about the tank failure. :/ Link to comment
.Newman. Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 thats not good, but it wont happen ever again now that there wont be so much water in it Link to comment
Withers Posted October 13, 2011 Author Share Posted October 13, 2011 yeah thankfully it's an easy solution, it just sucks. i wish it would have failed back when i water tested it for 2 weeks before putting the substrate and plants in. Now it would be impossible to get down in there and figure out how to fix it, and even if I did I could never trust it again. but, it was always primarily for the dart frogs, so i'm not too upset about it Link to comment
tiomm Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 Awesome build! Really like the layout. Great talent, you obviously have been touched by his noodly appendage! Link to comment
halfpint Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 Are the plants filling in nicely? Got a recent FTS? Link to comment
Withers Posted October 25, 2011 Author Share Posted October 25, 2011 plants are surviving but haven't really grown all that much yet. The ferns are taking off, but the bromeliads take a while to start taking root. Link to comment
Withers Posted October 28, 2011 Author Share Posted October 28, 2011 I may be putting this one up for sale. I'm not sure if keeping it is worth putting up with all the flak I've been getting. Link to comment
halfpint Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 From us, or family/friends? Link to comment
Withers Posted October 28, 2011 Author Share Posted October 28, 2011 the wife she thinks its way too big, and she was understandably upset when it sprung a leak. Link to comment
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