fishfreak0114 Posted September 2, 2015 Author Share Posted September 2, 2015 Should I treat with paraguard? Most of the time it swims totally fine, it just does something weird a couple times a day. 99% of the time it swims totally normal. I don't think it was getting enough food at the pet store, their tanks didn't have much for algae. Plus there was like 15 other tailspots in with it. 1 Quote Link to comment
amphipod Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Could be from a severe malnourishment, that certainly puts a link between wasting and swim bladder disorder. Malnourishment can sometimes cause nerve disorders. 1 Quote Link to comment
fishfreak0114 Posted September 2, 2015 Author Share Posted September 2, 2015 Oh crap... I just took a close look at the royal gramma and it had ich. It wasn't there yesterday, it sprung up overnight it seems. The fish is still okay though, acting totally normality breathing a little heavier than normal. I'm guessing the blenny has it too but it hides if I go too close to the glass. I'm. Going to start using paraguard right away. It says that it treats ich and a whole bunch of other stuff too. The gramma is acting totally normal, but breathing a little faster than usual. I really hope they pull through . How long should I treat for? Do I need to do frequent water changes? How long after the visible ich is gone should I leave them in QT? Should I do an hour long bath for the royal gramma? It says on the label you can do that. 1 Quote Link to comment
HarryPotter Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I believe it's around 2-3 months of fallow for the DT, bummer. 2 Quote Link to comment
fishfreak0114 Posted September 2, 2015 Author Share Posted September 2, 2015 Do both of them have scales? Need to know for the dosage and I can't find it anywhere. At least not for the blenny I believe it's around 2-3 months of fallow for the DT, bummer. I have to leave the DT empty? These fish are in QT still. I'm checking for ich in the DT right now. 1 Quote Link to comment
fishfreak0114 Posted September 2, 2015 Author Share Posted September 2, 2015 The fish in the DT don't have ich, I just checked. I couldn't find Jim though. He looked fine the other day when I saw him. Now that I know the gramma has ich I keep noticing it flashing. On the bright side, they're both still eating. 1 Quote Link to comment
amphipod Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 dose according to package, and I'd say dose until the fish have recovered fully from the ich and the following week to be sure it's dead, as for water changing, don't alter the schedule, the parasites won't be affected at all by changing the water. Since you quarantined you got a lucky break, and avoided a gigantic problem of an infected display tank. Id say do treatment until they are healthy again. I definitely say be generous with the quarantine time, 3-4 weeks should certainly suffice. Why not do that bath? Just remember Ich is definitely not the most lethal fish disease, and many fish do get better on their own, but treatments will end the cycle and fix the issue quicker and more efficiently. I read with paraguard that you can dose a tank at 5 ml per 10 gallons daily. 1 Quote Link to comment
fishfreak0114 Posted September 2, 2015 Author Share Posted September 2, 2015 Ok thanks for all the help. I will start treatment today. I'm guessing I have around 20 gallons, the tanks not totally full so I'll dose 10ml daily. I'm going to try and catch the royal gramma and blenny for a dip now, should be interesting I'm terrible at netting fish. Good thing they weren't in the DT, that would be a hopeless chase lol. Is marine ich about as lethal as freshwater ich? Or worse? I've dealt with freshwater ich many times and I don't think I've ever lost a fish to it. 1 Quote Link to comment
fishfreak0114 Posted September 2, 2015 Author Share Posted September 2, 2015 I got the two fish in a bath, it was actually super easy to catch them lol. The royal gramma hid in the pot that the blenny also hides in so I just held the pot upside down and slowly moved it out of water until they both went into the net. 1 Quote Link to comment
amphipod Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Marine ich is usually less fatal, but many times infection is in the gills, so that makes things a bit more inconvenient, and that is also why the fish is breathing very rapidly. I have read that the disease will die out naturally if an infected aquarium with fish is left as is for 11 months, that's still a very long time, and those poor fish that survive probably aren't enjoying it either. 1 Quote Link to comment
fishfreak0114 Posted September 4, 2015 Author Share Posted September 4, 2015 The plate is un bleaching slowly but it is happening. This was it after I got back from Edmonton a month ago. And this is it now 2 Quote Link to comment
amphipod Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 another month or 2 and the plate probably will be unbleached at this rate 1 Quote Link to comment
fishfreak0114 Posted September 6, 2015 Author Share Posted September 6, 2015 The treatment seems to be going well. I didn't see any more ich on the royal Gramma and I finally got a close look at the blenny. The blenny seems ich free, but I think it has some in its gills or something because it was still flashing. The flashing is worrying me because it may or may not be the reason that the blenny has an issue on the top of its head. It's kind of like its skin is peeling off. WTF, I take it this is not good. Sorry the pic is kind of blurry. It's fine otherwise, and acting normal. Quote Link to comment
amphipod Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Looks like it might be head and lateral line erosion, or some similar ulcerative disease. Some people blame this on overusing activated carbon in some instances, do you have activated carbon running? 1 Quote Link to comment
fishfreak0114 Posted September 6, 2015 Author Share Posted September 6, 2015 I don't have carbon running. I did a water change yesterday. Is it going to make it? Quote Link to comment
fishfreak0114 Posted September 6, 2015 Author Share Posted September 6, 2015 I can't find anything on MHLLE in blennies. 1 Quote Link to comment
fishfreak0114 Posted September 6, 2015 Author Share Posted September 6, 2015 It doesn't really show any signs of MHLLE. It just seems to be a tiny piece of skin is coming off. 1 Quote Link to comment
amphipod Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Maybe brooklynella or uronema, they have wasting and skin ulcers, or maybe the fish got a scrape on his head from something. Is it going to make it? this I am not sure, keep up the paraguard and hope for the best, unfortunately I am not sure of any other way to attack this problem. 1 Quote Link to comment
fishfreak0114 Posted September 6, 2015 Author Share Posted September 6, 2015 It very well may have cut itself, I'm hoping that it. It has been scraping it head on pretty much everything. I will be treating with paragaurd for at least another week. 1 Quote Link to comment
amphipod Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 That ich must itch badly. keep an eye out for those hideous secondary infections that like to take advantage of weakened fish. 1 Quote Link to comment
fishfreak0114 Posted September 6, 2015 Author Share Posted September 6, 2015 Yah, I'm hoping nothing secondary sets in, I'm pretty use paraguard treats most external things though. 1 Quote Link to comment
amphipod Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 There is a lot of good antibiotics in that paraguard, it treats a ton of external and a number of internal pathogens. 1 Quote Link to comment
fishfreak0114 Posted September 7, 2015 Author Share Posted September 7, 2015 Whatever was wrong with the blennies head is gone now. It's gills are kind of red and scraped because it is still scratching them on everything. The weird upside down swimming thing hasn't happened all weekend. My candy cane coral isn't doing too good, the top heads tissue is all receding and showing skeleton. The bottom head seems ok though. 1 Quote Link to comment
fishfreak0114 Posted September 7, 2015 Author Share Posted September 7, 2015 FTS 2 Quote Link to comment
amphipod Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Wouldn't have been skin falling off exposing tissue beneath then if it's gone now, because fish skin doesn't heal that quickly, not quite sure what it would have been. The way it sounds your Blenny should make a full recovery. That's not good, is there a clearly defined line between the necrosis and the living tissue? Tank looks nice though. 1 Quote Link to comment
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