bencollinz Posted September 13, 2013 Author Share Posted September 13, 2013 I really need some help people. I need someone to confirm or deny that that starfish is poisonous/venomous. If it's not, then the dumb ass sea cucumbers have died and their toxin is making the tank crash. I'm at work. What can I tell my wife to do? Link to comment
markalot Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Sea Cucumber danger seems to be debatable. You are probably seeing a symptom of another problem, perhaps a bioload overload from the starfish, or something else. I'm sorry I can't really help. I went through a crash in my 40 around the 6 month time frame, and I'm still not sure why. Sometimes our reaction to a bad situation makes it worse. Adding all the carbon, for example, might have changed the water chemistry too drastically. Massive water changes is the best solution, but even then many corals might be zombies and will continue to die. That was my experience, proven by putting a new coral in the tank while others continued to die. New coral never showed any stress. Link to comment
MikeTR Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Test for ammonia.. queue up large water change. Hold onto your nickers.. Link to comment
ward827 Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 +1 to carbon. I also had a starfish that helped crash my tank. Decided to die in a rock crevice. Fouled the water and lost a bunch of LPS. Pulled out the dead/dying, used carbon, WCs and time. Good news is my tank is better now. Good luck. Link to comment
markalot Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 He already added carbon. And just to be clear, now that it's added, don't remove it. Time for a lot of water changes. Friday afternoon vacation. In my opinion, of course. Link to comment
bencollinz Posted September 13, 2013 Author Share Posted September 13, 2013 my wife removed the rock with the 2 cucumbers. tested for ammonia. 0.25, nitrate - low end, nitrite - 0. new water is being made right now. Link to comment
FishBrawler Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Wow! I would try a large large large water change! It may help! I had a gbt enter a powerhead... gbt everywhere. My tank came back stronger than ever! Link to comment
MontiP Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Yea, that's a boat load of ammonia. Large water changes and carbon is in order. I don't know if adding those "ammonia detox" solutions to the tank is safe, but I've heard of people using them. After the water change, definitely try hard to dig out whatever's dead ASAP. Link to comment
Tochtli Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Sea cucumbers are nearly always toxic when they die. I've never heard of a sea star fouling up a tank; I can say that Ive had more than one die in my tanks and nothing really happened. Link to comment
markalot Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 Hopefully that's an API test kit and the reading is inflated. Water change won't hurt. Best of luck!! Link to comment
jedimasterben Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 0.25 ammonia isn't bad - getting there, but not bad, and certainly not bad enough to cause a bacterial bloom (the cloudy water). Link to comment
bencollinz Posted September 14, 2013 Author Share Posted September 14, 2013 I will update later. We have our son's NICU "graduates" reunion today. Link to comment
metrokat Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 Lots of water changes Ben, add more carbon if you can. Have access to caulerpa or chaeto? throw some in there, macros love ammonia. Link to comment
bencollinz Posted September 14, 2013 Author Share Posted September 14, 2013 the ammonia test is salifert. cracked open the rock with the 2 cucs and one was dead, shriveled up. did an 85% water change. carbon is still in there. I had to tear the ####in tank apart to find slytherin and deliria as I hadn't seen them in days and feared their death. deliria's tail fin is almost completely gone, no clue why. I believe she is about to pass. I moved her to the fuge for protection. Yes, I have chaeto and 4 types of macro. You know this. Ulva being one of them. two corals are completely white except the polyps. I'm really hoping they don't die as they're my favorites. amazing how GHA doesn't die off because of events like this. also found out that sand sifting stars are extremely bad to have in a reef tanks, so I'll be taking that back to the LFS. I flushed the live sea cuc. #### him. my duncan is the only thing that's out right now. very sad looking tank. Link to comment
metrokat Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 Make more water. Keep changing till toxicity lowers. Your first sign may not be the ammonia as stuff may still be dying. Do you have prime or other ammonia additives? Maybe even Dr tims ? These will not remove the ammonia but will make them non toxic and easy to remove via water changes. Salifert test kit is a good one. Link to comment
lokipsl Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 Good luck man! I hoping everything settles out. Link to comment
metrokat Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Tank has to be all better with a frag like that around. Link to comment
bencollinz Posted September 16, 2013 Author Share Posted September 16, 2013 WWHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY Link to comment
Sunar357 Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Ahh crud that bites! Link to comment
jedimasterben Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Yet another reason I don't use heaters But, I don't actually need them, I'd imagine up there in PA you need them. Link to comment
markalot Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 SOme Aqeuon products can be pretty bad ( I suppose since they own just about every other manufacturer now) but I really like these non-glass heaters. I have them in both my tanks. http://www.aqueonproducts.com/products/pro-heaters.htm Link to comment
bencollinz Posted September 16, 2013 Author Share Posted September 16, 2013 SOme Aqeuon products can be pretty bad ( I suppose since they own just about every other manufacturer now) but I really like these non-glass heaters. I have them in both my tanks. http://www.aqueonproducts.com/products/pro-heaters.htm ordered! done. Link to comment
Mojado Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 SOme Aqeuon products can be pretty bad ( I suppose since they own just about every other manufacturer now) but I really like these non-glass heaters. I have them in both my tanks. http://www.aqueonproducts.com/products/pro-heaters.htm That's what I have in my sump. Link to comment
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