rone_kevin66 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Ok thanks I fig more power because the tank is deep and it's only the 120w Quote Link to comment
rone_kevin66 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Ok her is the light at preset program 1. Both channels were at 100%. I'm going to get the 120° lens and see if I like how it looks Quote Link to comment
eitallent Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 My softies are very unhappy at 100%. They like it at maximun 80% for only a peak of an hour. I have started doing two peaks with a rest period midday down to 50%. I may go further down during the rest period. My zoas that had receded higher up have started to come back and the Ricordeas are much more inflated. Ok her is the light at preset program 1. Both channels were at 100%. I'm going to get the 120° lens and see if I like how it looks Quote Link to comment
BluCrab Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Once I switched over to the 120 degree Optics my Zoa's started popping new heads. I also only ramp up to about 85% for channel A. It was either that or changing over to Rea Sea Coral Pro for the salt. Quote Link to comment
philfree Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Hi all, new to forum.Just ordered the NEW gen razor. 180w 15k for my 29 gallon (standard).Currently using 150w hqi and a 23 watt current usa bluestrip.What would be a good start on %s after switching from my current setup?Also, ive read the the new gens come with 120 deg optics, is thi true? Quote Link to comment
rone_kevin66 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I think you are right on the lens but that's going to be one powerful light for that tank. You definitely will need to keep it turned down. 1 Quote Link to comment
BluCrab Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 It sounds like you might be planning ahead...That's an over kill unless you're planning to upgrade to a larger tank in a few months. The Bio cube is 19 inches wide and the Maxspect is 27 inches. You can get away with the 20inch model IMO if you want to fill in all the shadows with the 120 optics. I would play with it and see what looks best for your eyes, but wouldn't go past 50/50 starting off. Ramp up slowly over a few weeks don't ever go above 85% on A. 1 Quote Link to comment
philfree Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 27" model for a tank that is 30x12x18 is overkill? i thought it would be the perfect fit....i am considering upgrading to a 40breeder in the future though. but not for a while. Quote Link to comment
BluCrab Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 my bad when I think 29 gallon I think bio cube. It'll work! Quote Link to comment
jedimasterben Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Ok, Maxspect has at some point (wasn't exactly watching lol) released flux bin and drive current for the LEDs in the new model. Old model: CH A 2x Cree XT-E warm white 294lm @ 1.3A2x Cree XT-E royal blue 1,520mW @ 1.3A2x Cree XT-E cool white 382lm @ 1.3A(~29w power) CH B4x Cree XT-E royal blue 1,520mW @ 1.3A3x Cree XP-E blue 63lm @ 860mA2x SemiLEDs 'dual core' 410nm & 420nm 1,100mW @ 1.3A(~35w power) New model: CH A2x Cree XT-E 6500-7000K cool white 382lm @ 1.3A2x Cree XB-D 4500-5000K neutral white 176lm @ 650mA2x Cree XB-D 3000-3500K warm white 155lm @ 650mA2x Cree XB-D 455-460nm royal blue 813mW @650mA2x Cree XB-D 465-475nm blue 55lm @ 650mA(~33w power) CH B1x SemiLEDs 400-410nm 693mW @ 850mA1x SemiLEDs 410-420nm 810mW @ 850mA1x SemiLEDs 420-430nm 902mW @ 850mA2x SemiLEDs 440-450nm royal blue 760mW @ 650mA2x Cree XT-E 450-460nm royal blue 1,520mW @ 1.3A2x SemiLEDs 470-480nm blue 80lm @ 650mA(~29w power) Old R420R '16K' models gave out a total of 1,058 lumens of white, 2,200 milliwatts of violet, 9,120 milliwatts of royal blue, and 189 lumens of blue, while consuming 64 watts per LED pad. The new R420R '15K' models give out 1,426 lumens of white (a 34.8% increase), 2,405 milliwatts of violet (a 9.3% increase), 6186 milliwatts of royal blue (a 32.2% decrease), and 270 lumens of blue (a 42.9% increase), while consuming 62 watts per LED pad (a 3.3% increase). Overall, the change in total output is very minor (the increased flux of the blue LEDs can be almost completely ignored, they emit very little total light and PAR). The fixture traded royal blue for white, which both give similar PAR. They went from using six high-output XT-E to two XT-E and four XB-D and SemiLEDs chips that have half the output. The fixture having more amber/red light should be slightly better at eliciting non-fluorescent colors from corals, but at the cost of not having nearly as much royal blue to elicit fluorescence. The fluorescence that could be had from the slightly added violet light is quickly drowned out by the other LEDs in the array. The change in the color of the light to the eye shouldn't be too drastic thanks to the additional standard blue, since our eyes see the higher wavelength blue as 'brighter' than the royal blue, but too much blue can actually make the light look worse in comparison to adding more royal blue. Maxspect should have looked into adding lime and cyan to fix some of the issues they have (such as many not liking the purplish hue from the mix of warm white and royal blue without enough cyan/green to balance it out). I'm not saying the light will not look good (the new arrangement actually should reduce the purple hue), but arrays without lime just don't look great anymore. Maxspect was the first of the 'big' manufacturers to use warm white instead of green and red like everyone else, and when I heard there was going to be a change I had hoped that they were going to be the leader of the pack again and add lime/cyan, but with their new array, it's just more of the same - not really any better, certainly not worse, but progress should always move forward, and I hope that Maxspect's next revision is a home run instead of a leisurely jog to first base My two cents. If I can get my hands on the old and the new, I'll do a photo comparison for everyone. Unlikely to happen as I haven't seen any Maxspect fixtures at the LFS for some time now, but I'll try 4 Quote Link to comment
rone_kevin66 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 27" model for a tank that is 30x12x18 is overkill? i thought it would be the perfect fit.... i am considering upgrading to a 40breeder in the future though. but not for a while. It will work but just make sure to keep the power low. With a 40 that light Def would be a better suit. Ok, Maxspect has at some point (wasn't exactly watching lol) released flux bin and drive current for the LEDs in the new model. Old model: CH A 2x Cree XT-E warm white 294lm @ 1.3A 2x Cree XT-E royal blue 1,520mW @ 1.3A 2x Cree XT-E cool white 382lm @ 1.3A (~29w power) CH B 4x Cree XT-E royal blue 1,520mW @ 1.3A 3x Cree XP-E blue 63lm @ 860mA 2x SemiLEDs 'dual core' 410nm & 420nm 1,100mW @ 1.3A (~35w power) New model: CH A 2x Cree XT-E 6500-7000K cool white 382lm @ 1.3A 2x Cree XB-D 4500-5000K neutral white 176lm @ 650mA 2x Cree XB-D 3000-3500K warm white 155lm @ 650mA 2x Cree XB-D 455-460nm royal blue 813mW @650mA 2x Cree XB-D 465-475nm blue 55lm @ 650mA (~33w power) CH B 1x SemiLEDs 400-410nm 693mW @ 850mA 1x SemiLEDs 410-420nm 810mW @ 850mA 1x SemiLEDs 420-430nm 902mW @ 850mA 2x SemiLEDs 440-450nm royal blue 760mW @ 650mA 2x Cree XT-E 450-460nm royal blue 1,520mW @ 1.3A 2x SemiLEDs 470-480nm blue 80lm @ 650mA (~29w power) Old R420R '16K' models gave out a total of 1,058 lumens of white, 2,200 milliwatts of violet, 9,120 milliwatts of royal blue, and 189 lumens of blue, while consuming 64 watts per LED pad. The new R420R '15K' models give out 1,426 lumens of white (a 34.8% increase), 2,405 milliwatts of violet (a 9.3% increase), 6186 milliwatts of royal blue (a 32.2% decrease), and 270 lumens of blue (a 42.9% increase), while consuming 62 watts per LED pad (a 3.3% increase). Overall, the change in total output is very minor (the increased flux of the blue LEDs can be almost completely ignored, they emit very little total light and PAR). The fixture traded royal blue for white, which both give similar PAR. They went from using six high-output XT-E to two XT-E and four XB-D and SemiLEDs chips that have half the output. The fixture having more light should be slightly better at eliciting non-fluorescent colors from corals, but at the cost of not having nearly as much royal blue to elicit fluorescence. The fluorescence that could be had from the slightly higher violet light is quickly drowned out by the other LEDs in the array. The change in the color of the light to the eye shouldn't be too drastic thanks to the additional standard blue, since our eyes see the higher wavelength blue as 'brighter' than the royal blue, but too much blue can actually make the light look worse in comparison to adding more royal blue. Maxspect should have looked into adding lime and cyan to fix some of the issues they have instead of just adding more (smaller) LEDs to get more of the same. I'm not saying the light will not look good, but arrays without lime just don't look great anymore, and it's time for the 'big' manufacturers to start stepping up to the plate and look at current DIY trends to figure out what they can change to make a bigger impact than just 'MORE PAR'. My two cents. If I can get my hands on the old and the new, I'll do a photo comparison for everyone. Unlikely to happen at this point, but I'll talk to some people and see what I can do. Nice new info. I'm with you on the lime led. I would have got the nanobox for my tank but I got a killer deal on my razor. I'm hoping maxspect will make a new pad that will plug in that has lime. Quote Link to comment
philfree Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 ill try and take some pic once i get it all set up.Comes in tomorrow. Might not get around to getting it rigged up till saturday though. :/ Quote Link to comment
philfree Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 just got it today! looks cool. more details later.thought it was black, but its more of a gun metal grey. Quote Link to comment
rone_kevin66 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Ok got a lightning schedule let me know what you all think. 1 0800 0% 0% 2 10 35% 35% 3 1230 85% 85% 4 1530 85% 85% 5 1730 35% 35% 6 2100 0% 0% I will do a moo light for 1 hr once I get another pc4 for my RKE Quote Link to comment
philfree Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 think of of this schedule to start with. i never measured par on my 150w mh so not sure how high it get but i think this should be a good start to ramp up from: 1100 A:0 B:01300 A:0 B:351500 A:40 B:451900 A:40 B:452100 A:0 B:402300 A:0 B:0Feedback welcome...EDIT: keep in mind i have BTAs and SPS to keep happy. Quote Link to comment
philfree Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 got it up and running.... 2 Quote Link to comment
philfree Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 420nm Actinic is simply amazing! Quote Link to comment
rone_kevin66 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Just installed the 120° and man what a difference they make at blending the colors. Now I just need to tweak my lighting power Quote Link to comment
Nanofreak79 Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 27" 16k with 120* optics and 24" 2 bulb T5 retro. Sorry phone is being weird and only letting me copy url from Flickr. by -Nanofreak79- 1 Quote Link to comment
AdamNC Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Hi all, new to forum. Just ordered the NEW gen razor. 180w 15k for my 29 gallon (standard). Currently using 150w hqi and a 23 watt current usa bluestrip. What would be a good start on %s after switching from my current setup? Also, ive read the the new gens come with 120 deg optics, is thi true? Start out at about 30% on both channels and work your way up slowly. It's not going to be too big of a light. I use the 160watt 16k over my 29 gallon standard for the past year and my sps love it at: TP1 08:00 Ch1 0% Ch2 0% TP2 09:30 Ch1 40% Ch2 65% TP3 11:30 Ch1 65% Ch2 90% TP4 18:30 Ch1 65% Ch2 90% TP5 20:30 Ch1 40% Ch2 65% TP6 22:00 Ch1 0% Ch2 0% But as I said go slow to acclimate everyone because these lights will fry your corals if you go to fast. My sps, lps and zoas grow and thrive very well with this light and the settings I've posted. 1 Quote Link to comment
Nanofreak79 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Posted new pic with T5's on! 1 Quote Link to comment
Addinali Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Has anyone hooked up there razor to bluefish yet or is that still in the works? Quote Link to comment
rone_kevin66 Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Has anyone hooked up there razor to bluefish yet or is that still in the works? Still in the works for last I heard. Should be out some time this summer but no date last I heard. I can't wait for it to come out. Quote Link to comment
nanoduce Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 27" 16k with 120* optics and 24" 2 bulb T5 retro. Sorry phone is being weird and only letting me copy url from Flickr. by -Nanofreak79- Does those T5 run hot without fan? Quote Link to comment
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