MJ's 29g Barrel 'O Monkeys

[Deleted User 6]

that takes too long...kinda like reading wonkers post

[bitts]

Your just scared it'll prove you to be anarco commi bastard we all adore.

 

Don't worry I'm probably the biggest one on here. You'll have company.

[Deleted User 6]

i'm more anarco libertarian.

 

but i'll accept the bastard part.

[Deleted User 6]

took it, and yeah, i'm a libertarian.

 

but the questions are far too simplistic.

[Militant Jurist]

<<As for Obama's overreach, one needs to only look so far as ObamaCare's individual mandate. "Never before has the Commerce Clause and associated Necessary and Proper Clause been extended this far." Virginia v. Sebelius, Case No. 3:10-cv-00188-HEH, August 2, 2010 Memorandum Opinion Denying Defendant's Motion to Dismiss, at p. 25.>>

 

Really, that's the big overreach? I thought you'd have something substantial (can you even explain that example?) like suspending habeas corpus, authorizing secret prisons, illegal domestic wiretap (NSA), breaking from the Geneva Convention, authorizing an illegal war, you know, stuff like that. All done by Bush and administration while Republicans were mostly silent. Hypocrisy.

 

So wait... First, you are asking me to explain the example of Obama's abuse of the Commerce Clause? As if to imply I don't understand the Commerce Clause? Seriously?

 

Second, are you talking about Obama's overreach or have you ventured back to Bush? If you'd read below, I actually approve of Obama's continuation of the Bush policies. So for me to say Bush was right, and the Obama was right to continue those policies is not hypocrisy. Oh, and go ahead and back up your "illegal war" bit. I've done a fair bit of studying of the Rome Statute and the crimes falling within the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court, so I'd absolutely enjoy your attempt.

 

<<Let's see... then there's the ethics and transparency issues that have plagued Obama, despite all of his promises and assurances. The closed-door ObamaCare negotiations. The rushed and un-read bill. The tax delinquent, and industry connected, Secretary of the Treasury. Let's not forget the appointment of an SEIU attorney to the National Labor Relations Board, or the bulldozer Obama drove through senior creditors' rights in the GM/Chrysler takeover/restructure.>>

 

Certainly not complete transparency. But much better than the last admin. The secret energy meetings with Cheney, the A.G. secret signing of power during a hospital visit, outing a CIA operative and the cover up, the lies about WMDs and yellow cake uranium, scores of lobbyists in the White House, VPs former companies' back-room deals and contracts. All done by Bush and administration while Republicans were mostly silent. Hypocrisy.

 

Let's see.... Obama has his meetings with most lobbyists outside of the WH, so that it doesn't go on the books for public disclosure. It's the "Starbucks Defense" with this administration. How about Obama's DOJ appointments of lawyers who outed numerous CIA operatives, took photos of them at home, and then turned over the pictures to their Gitmo clients (in violation of Gitmo representation agreements) so that the clients could "ID their interrogators." Oh, and you want to talk lobbyists? How about Andy Stern being the most frequent visitor to the WH. Or the SEIU attorney appointed to head the NLRB? How about a deputy defense secretary who lobbied for defense contractors, ACLU lobbyists as policy advisors, director of intergovernmental affairs who lobbied for La Raza, AG Holder lobbied for a telecommunication company, Treasury chief of staff to the Secretary lobbied for Goldman Sachs... the list goes on, but at some point, it just gets cruel. Personally, I don't care about lobbyists (First Amendment and all), but your use of this to do some good ole Bush-bashing is hypocritical.

 

 

<<On the economy, Obama's policies rely on the widely discredited Keynesian multiplier effect. His tax hike proposals on "the rich" instead soak those who are far from rich... small business owners. As noted above, reputable economists have begun to discuss the more probable double dip recession we're heading toward, as a result of uncertainty in the policies of the future. With the possibility of large tax hikes next year, there's going to be a lot of profit-taking at the end of this year, leading to a possible collapse of the market. Let's not forget the easy money the Fed is spreading around, combined with the continued policies of the Freddy and Fannie, which are helping those with "undocumented income" get houses they can't afford. This combination is going to lead to the house market collapse, part II.>>

 

You're talking about rolling back taxes to Clinton era. Even lower than Reagan era. I think you'd agree those were pretty prosperous times? Yes? It's not socialism, nor Marxism, nor communism. He's always said, $250,000/3%. We have a progressive tax rate already. He's just trying to stop the tax breaks to the wealthiest 2% of Americans. Far from rich? Really? I'd define 5-1/2 TIMES the median income as RICH! My taxes will go up. I don't mind.

 

I know plenty of people earning that kind of money, and do you know how they earn it? By running a small business. Who do you think is going to be hiring people in the near future? Small businesses. Why? Because most organize in such a way that result in pass-through taxation. Will they be hiring as much with higher taxes? Nope.

 

 

<<"[G]rid lock in congress" - Are you serious? Democrats have had a majority since 2006, and in the 111th Congress, the Democrats had a filibuster proof majority.>>

I never said Republican gridlock. It is gridlock. When the Republican party votes NO en bloc, it makes it hard to get anything done. Remember a few months ago when Republican Richard Shelby held up all of Obama's lower cabinet appointees for political reasons? That's gridlock.

 

First off, when a party controls a majority in both Houses, they lose the ability to blame the minority for gridlock. The division has been between the center and the left... when conversations start out with that assumption, you really expect the right to start jumping on board in support? Also, Congress was designed to be difficult, to slow the pace of government.

 

Second, have you forgotten about the Democrat en masse filibuster of Bush's nominees? That two year period also saw the Democrats become the first party to filibuster the appointment of a U.S. Court of Appeals nominee. Not satisfied with breaking the record once, they went ahead and filibustered nine more U.S. Court of Appeals nominees.

 

I never attacked you or Henry. Did I even mention your names?

 

Your implication by the statements made was that we were attacking him out of ignorance or spite.

 

Fast forward today and you get people who are so emotional and filled with such vitriol toward YOUR president, when their guy was much worst. It's really disheartening.

 

And yet Pelosi and Co. have gone from "dissent is patriotism" to criticizing Obama is racist and un-American. Oh, and unlike the Bush years, you don't see people trotting out the "he's not MY president, I voted for Kerry" style bumper stickers. Not that it should be condoned, but there was no outcry when Bush was called Hitler, or when the movie was produced that envisioned the assassination of Bush. However, when Obama is called Hitler or a socialist, it's as if it's unheard of.

 

 

As far as reading the whole thread, no, I did not. I was expecting to read about MJ's 29 gallon tank. I guess I missed the political subtext in the heading?

 

Maybe trying reading harder. There's a lot of pages in here, but then again, with how you paint everything with broad brush strokes, I'm not surprised by your attempt to characterize the entire thread as political.

 

If you aren't already, try getting some perspective on the news and watch/read something other than Fox. Try the BBC or other "lamestream" media outlets.

 

Again with the generalizations... you assume we even watch Fox. I'd be willing to wager I read more news perspectives than you do. That includes multiple foreign papers.

[spanko]

I am so tired of the supporters of the Pres bringing up Bush. It makes me want to puke.

 

Fact the current president has tripled the debt that was the high point of the Bush presidency. And Bush was "WRONG" to take it as high as he did.

The current president believes that by taxing the people of the U.S. ( read everyone here) that the government can better control the economy by doling out the money as they see fit.

The current president does not adhere to the constitution unless it furthers his agenda.

The current president was off at concerts, meetings with sports figures, vacationing etc. etc. while he and I do mean he let the gulf oil spill get away from him. (can elaborate on this if you want to get into it)

 

The liberties that the constitution was put together to try to avoid the control of the federal government over the states and the people is being bypassed by the current president because, and there are quotes and videos of him, he believes it is too restraining. Hello, that is exactly what it intended to do.

 

Am I saying that the Republicans are any better, no certainly not during the Bush administration, but I am saying that the progressive, socialist, communist ideologies of the current president are much worse. I hate that you have to vote for the lessor of two evils in the system, maybe DHaut is right in his libertarian ideas, but I do know that the current president is not what is needed to give the country "Hope and Change you can count on"

 

He is in over his head, has no idea what is the path that will lead us out of the current problems, and needs to be voted out in 2012.

He is the one that "begged" to be elected to the position and it is now two years into his presidency. He needs to quit his bellyaching about "what he inherited" and get on with it. What he is doing is not what the U.S. needs and not even what a lot of people who voted for him really wanted. I know polls are subjective according to how they are worded but when multiple polls by multiple organizations with differing political leanings start to show the same results, as they do now, there is something wrong.

[bitts]

Thing is that I know plenty of people on the other side of the issue who are complaining that the president hasn't gone far enough. Its funny with as close as the two sides in us politics really are. How fervent they become about the other. While I'll be the first to point out that president Bush had a certain Orwellain streak or that president Obama can channel Mao. This does not negate the aspects of their presadency that are benifical, touble is seeing those parts through all the noise. Does anyone ever rember that President Bush was about to create a gest worker program but the vote was scheduled for sept 12. The emagration issue would have been done by now.

[spanko]

Hey Bitts. IMO who gives a rat patoot! The fact of the matter is the gubment is screwed up. And we the people let it get that way by electing folks and then not holding them accountable.

There are 18 enumerated powers afforded to the federal government by the constitution. If "it" we to concentrate on those we would not have the immigration issue, the f'd up tax code, the "we know what is right for you" mentality that we try to force on the rest of the world and the "control" of the economy that the gubment keeps forcing on us.

 

We need to get back to basics, the constitution as it is written.

[Militant Jurist]

Talk about a timeless statement:

 

“The arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and assistance to foreign hands should be curtailed * * *.”

 

Who said it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Marcus Tullius Cicero, 55 BC

[spanko]

"The arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and assistance to foreign hands should be curtailed, lest Rome fall."

 

Cicero , 55 B.C.

 

 

Hey did you know DHaut was banninated last night?

[Militant Jurist]

Henry is the winner.

 

Yeah, I heard about DH.... from DH. Turns out he and Ray had a p|ssing match, and Ray won. Seems like an example of "arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled" right here on NR.

[spanko]

Yuppers! Isn't "arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled" part of mod training though? If not, should be.

He PM'd me about it too. Seems like a 24 hour time out for him.

[Militant Jurist]

Poor DH. He can only observe (and PM) until what, 6:30 or so tonight. Whatever will a Lounge Rat do?

[rO.oster]

that takes too long...kinda like reading wonkers post

 

the plight of those who enjoy ignorance and a joe six pack over truth and supporting whats right.

[Militant Jurist]

the plight of those who enjoy ignorance and a joe six pack over truth and supporting whats right.

 

I think you may have missed the intent of DH (which, trust me, is easy to do). He was enjoying it for its ... entertainment value, not for its truth or correctness. DH and I are both fairly libertarian, so I don't think DH was actually supporting anything that was posted by wowser.

[Militant Jurist]

I came across a great quote from a Supreme Court decision this year:

 

"One cannot know whether a takings claim is invalid without knowing what standard it has failed to meet. Which means that JUSTICE BREYER must * * * grapple with the artificial question of what would constitute a judicial taking if there were such a thing as a judicial taking (reminiscent of the perplexing question how much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?) * * *."

 

Stop the Beach Renourishment, Inc. v. Fla. Dep't of Envtl. Prot. (2010), 130 S. Ct. 2592, 2603.

[Needreefunds]

Geez, lots goin on here

 

Good luck on project lock-down, or lock-n-load ...however you decide to git er done.

[Militant Jurist]

Thanks Richie. I think it's going to be Project Lock-Down-And-Lock-n-Load.

[Needreefunds]

Thanks Richie. I think it's going to be Project Lock-Down-And-Lock-n-Load.

Note to self : Text, email, call, AND PM MJ before stopping in for a visit. Make sure he knows you are coming.

[Militant Jurist]

Note to self : Text, email, call, AND PM MJ before stopping in for a visit. Make sure he knows you are coming.

 

 

Probably a good idea!

[Needreefunds]

 

Probably a good idea!

 

Starting up my rubbermaid tub for my RSM restart

[Deleted User 6]

hey guys, lol

[Needreefunds]

hey guys, lol

Boy we missed you!

[Militant Jurist]

Welcome back DH. Hopefully you can stick around.

[spanko]

Hello DH. Have a nice rest?