metrokat Posted July 24, 2014 Author Share Posted July 24, 2014 Pffft. You're always seying you is nekkid. Lies. Quote Link to comment
1.0reef Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Crank it up! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHr7itwVsMc I swear every god damn person I know who listens to this (Most of which are girls in my grade) also replaces the lyrics "Every time I'm in the street, I hear YAWK YAWK YAWK YAWK!" With "Every time I'm in the club I hear YAWK YAWK YAWK YAWK!" Bleh! Awesome mural! Quote Link to comment
JavaJacketOC Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Crank it up! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHr7itwVsMc He's not home ATM, when he gets back I'll ask him. I don't think it's anything fancy but what do I know. I've never liked this song.......................................until this video 2 Quote Link to comment
metrokat Posted July 24, 2014 Author Share Posted July 24, 2014 Good morning citizens of the reef. I hate zoas. 2 Quote Link to comment
TJ_Burton Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Good morning citizens of the reef. I hate zoas. splain... Quote Link to comment
metrokat Posted July 24, 2014 Author Share Posted July 24, 2014 They melt for no reason. My garden has been pissed off for a while. Lawn advised to reduce the amount of GFO, I did that many weeks ago. No improvement. Then I started re arrangung the top shelf of the rock work to guve more light to the zoas below. That's been working to an extent, the extent being the colonies that are getting more light. But I have at least 10/12 frags on the frag rack that are getting great light. Some are doing well, some just melt. Argh. I run a dirty tank so it can't be my water. Are zoas sensitive to low alkalinity? Thw minute I put the zoas from the rack to the rockwork, it starts declining. Quote Link to comment
TJ_Burton Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 That sounds hella frustrating :/ Quote Link to comment
SquishyFishy Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Sorry to hear it, but if YOU'RE having these kinds of issues, then I can't be all that much of an idiot!!! I've noticed that my mid-tank Zoa colony does great as long as my alk is at 83 to 84, and it does sink once or twice a week. I am constantly dosing for that. But they close up if it drops below that. Since I'm a newb and look to you to know everything and you're having these problems, then maybe that's the norm. I've lost two softie colonies (big ones), mostly polyps lately and I can't figure it out either. I try to be so exact.....I mean how do you manage to kill cloves???? Quote Link to comment
TJ_Burton Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Sorry to hear it, but if YOU'RE having these kinds of issues, then I can't be all that much of an idiot!!! I've noticed that my mid-tank Zoa colony does great as long as my alk is at 83 to 84, and it does sink once or twice a week. I am constantly dosing for that. But they close up if it drops below that. Since I'm a newb and look to you to know everything and you're having these problems, then maybe that's the norm. I've lost two softie colonies (big ones), mostly polyps lately and I can't figure it out either. I try to be so exact.....I mean how do you manage to kill cloves???? Do you test for iodide? Cloves, Xenia, Cespit, etc. are iodide dependant and can crash if levels get too low. Quote Link to comment
Veng Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 They melt for no reason. My garden has been pissed off for a while. Lawn advised to reduce the amount of GFO, I did that many weeks ago. No improvement. Then I started re arrangung the top shelf of the rock work to guve more light to the zoas below. That's been working to an extent, the extent being the colonies that are getting more light. But I have at least 10/12 frags on the frag rack that are getting great light. Some are doing well, some just melt. Argh. I run a dirty tank so it can't be my water. Are zoas sensitive to low alkalinity? Thw minute I put the zoas from the rack to the rockwork, it starts declining. Zoas are simply emo. You can take two frags, put them right next to each other, and one will melt and the other will double in size. 5 Quote Link to comment
BattleAthletics Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Have you tried a small peroxide dip to the one that looks like its melting? Quote Link to comment
metrokat Posted July 24, 2014 Author Share Posted July 24, 2014 Sorry to hear it, but if YOU'RE having these kinds of issues, then I can't be all that much of an idiot!!! I've noticed that my mid-tank Zoa colony does great as long as my alk is at 83 to 84, and it does sink once or twice a week. I am constantly dosing for that. But they close up if it drops below that. Since I'm a newb and look to you to know everything and you're having these problems, then maybe that's the norm. I've lost two softie colonies (big ones), mostly polyps lately and I can't figure it out either. I try to be so exact.....I mean how do you manage to kill cloves???? My tank is hardly immune to trouble. With most other corals, the cause of their decline or death is somewhat apparent or can be concluded based on things like parameters and changes. Zoas defy all logic. I dosed some vitamin C this morning. I used to dose that frequently, and I think I'll start it again to see if that helps. Zoas are simply emo. You can take two frags, put them right next to each other, and one will melt and the other will double in size. +1 Have you tried a small peroxide dip to the one that looks like its melting? Yes and no. I use peroxide a lot for algae problems so I am not squeamish about using it. Looking at a melting zoa frag, it can be ascertained if peroxide will help or not. Usually in the early stages of the frag/colony being pissed off, it can work. After all that cussin', here is a pithur of my newest little happy frag 4 Quote Link to comment
Acielot Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Just curious but what parameter levels do you aim for? Specifically cal, alk and mag. 1 Quote Link to comment
BattleAthletics Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Yes and no. I use peroxide a lot for algae problems so I am not squeamish about using it. Looking at a melting zoa frag, it can be ascertained if peroxide will help or not. Usually in the early stages of the frag/colony being pissed off, it can work. Try it and see? Quote Link to comment
metrokat Posted July 24, 2014 Author Share Posted July 24, 2014 Just curious but what parameter levels do you aim for? Specifically cal, alk and mag. Close to NSW levels. 420 cal 7 dKH 1300 mag 1 Quote Link to comment
ZephNYC Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 There was this zoas king on RC, I've long forgot his name, but he had the most insane zoa gardens I've ever seen, and he did experiments on healing sick colonies, etc. He strongly recommended long term day vitamin c dosing. Not for the carbon but the as ascorbic acid. 2 Quote Link to comment
ZephNYC Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Sorry for the type o's. Fat burners make my fingers jitter. Lol. Quote Link to comment
hypostatic Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Thw minute I put the zoas from the rack to the rockwork, it starts declining. Are they doing well on the rack? Like growing and multiplying? Unless the water chemistry on the rack is different than the water chemistry on the rocks, it must be some other parameter. I think flow is the most likely suspect. I believe I've read that zoas will open up more with higher flow Quote Link to comment
metrokat Posted July 24, 2014 Author Share Posted July 24, 2014 Are they doing well on the rack? Like growing and multiplying? Unless the water chemistry on the rack is different than the water chemistry on the rocks, it must be some other parameter. I think flow is the most likely suspect. I believe I've read that zoas will open up more with higher flow The flow on the rack is very turbulent. Not so much on the rocks but still has good flow. Quote Link to comment
hypostatic Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 maybe that's the key. turbulent flow. Quote Link to comment
metrokat Posted July 24, 2014 Author Share Posted July 24, 2014 maybe that's the key. turbulent flow. Alright. I moved one of the MP10s to agitate the zoa forest more. Let's hope the clam doesn't get pissed off and jump. Quote Link to comment
ZephNYC Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 You should turn off your carbon during the day with all the stuff you dose. Don't want it sucking up all the vitamin c etc. I have mine on the controller to only run when the lights are off. 2 Quote Link to comment
MikeTR Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 i have the same problem with zoas.. some are bulletproof and some just melt.. grow to 100+ and melt to 1-2.. grow back... repeat.. i hate them as much as i love them.. which is a problem that costs me a lot of money 3 Quote Link to comment
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