Your high point seems that I am speaking out of context with the original poster's description about soft cycling and that may indeed be the case. I didn't see a formal link there where your published authors coined it although if that's out there Im just last to hear and would appreciate the link. the description is up for grabs in the meantime? If I pushed that with poor tact will not debate that, usually guilty. the only part Im supporting is everything I typed not that it came off nice.
I concede that the most formal definition you will find is in this thread. The full meaning of the term may certainly be debated... However, it's best if we can get that out front right away.
When I first read it, it sounded like his subjective terming and I wanted to add the purist notion that if you ever registered ammonia you messed up compared to the balance of using less LR growth and no measurable ammonia. if you don't like my opinion on this that's no problem to me neither of us have nano reef formality to list because its not there...
It is somewhat arbitrary, if you want to call it that but I'm not sure I'd call it subjective. The definition of "soft cycle" was given in the OP, which makes it a little more firm. To my knowledge, it was coined by one or more members here on NR.com as a way to describe the idea of buying very fresh LR and employing a variety of methods to retain as much of the livestock as possible. Greenstar started this thread to put the definition down in a somewhat explicit fashion so we didn't have to type it out several times a week. You seem to grasp and concede this point in your initial post:
don't keep up with any new trends so I hadn't clicked on this thread even once to know what a soft cycle was, and its amazing to think of the countless type arguments I have been in advocating this idea not even knowing it had a coined moniker already...
most of our upcoming thread links will regard large tanks and that's bunk for us in many ways Id like to discuss if you want.
I certainly won't disagree that large tanks go not generally behave like small tanks.
the term soft cycle was too broad for my liking if it allowed for water parameters indicating ammonia or nitrite at any stage in the design or function.
I follow you here and I think you made your point fairly clear in your inital post. I don't have a problem with your methods and I believe that you have plenty of basis for it. It's totally cool to argue that any cycle that shows up detectable NH3 can't be very "soft", however when you start arguing that using fresh rock is certainly wild-collected and it's a short-cut for impatient people you are moving away from meaningful discussion of the methods at hand.
For the record, I totally agree that many of the organisms that ride in on fresh LR won't make it long in a tank because we just don't have the suspended particulates to support them. We don't have phytoplankton for crying out loud! And when we get it, we spend a lot of time trying to do away with the green water.
... just guessing>is your trade in a technical science like environmental testing, applied chemistry or engineering?
I'm trying valiantly to finish my PhD and currently work in an estuarine system on the coast of SC. I'm working on the relationship(s) between aerobic heterotrophic bacteria and the benthic microalgae. I've got a series of hypotheses that I've been collecting data on for the last couple years and I'm finally starting to write some of it up... Hopefully I'll get done in the next 18 months, but you never know.
The only divergence intended was that if these experiments ever yield ammonia, then turbo live rock isn't the best starting point, lesser is...
I think I like where you're going here and I think I agree with you. Let me restate it and you tell me if I'm saying the same thing you are: If buying high-quality fresh LR is yielding some detectable NH3, then it would be better to start the system with a bit of lower-quality rock. The lower quality rock establishes the system and gives you a larger catchers mit to handle what comes in with the high-quality rock.
If this is what you are saying, I have advocated the very same thing in other threads.