c_k_kuehne Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 And this thread continues .................. eeeekkkkk didn't mean to give it a bump Link to comment
SantaMonica Posted November 22, 2009 Author Share Posted November 22, 2009 Success Updates: Coolhandgoose on the scrubber site: "Since I installed the new light two weeks ago my nitrates have gone from 20 to 0. The cyano in my display is now starting to disappear." Desert_Fishy on the SWF site: "I started my 75g reef 5 months ago (2nd venture w/SW) and decided to start up with a scrubber and no skimmer due to this thread. All I have are powerheads, lights, scrubber and a heater. My water readings are perfect, corals are really flourishing, fish are happy and I spend 10 minutes a week cleaning the algae off the scrubber - although that is becoming a bigger and bigger job. My only problem now is that copepods, feather dusters and some other small pink bug-like creatures that live on the glass are multiplying out of control. I have feather dusters everywhere!" Toddo on the MFK site: "This is my 125 freshwater tank with medium bio load. I have an XP3 with Biomax/mech pads, and this scrubber as the only filtration now. Its been 12 days with just the scrubber for nitrate control. Nitrates and ammonia are still at zero. No water changes. This is significant, as my well water is 35-40ppm Nitrates. It grows enough algae to need weekly cleaning now. I had a specific freshwater requirement for low to no nitrates, and I have met that, using my scrubber. It was properly designed and built using info provided, and is now functioning as expected." DeathWish302 on the RC site: "The turf scrubber slowly drove out the cyano, and has been amazingly processing EVERYTHING I have thrown at the tank in regards to food." AlgaeNator on the scrubber site: "I have been running a version of ATS for about 2 months, and have been skimmerless for 4 weeks now, and am very happy with the ATS concept and performance so for. I have been running my prototype Victory Scrump for about 3 weeks now, to prove the concept and it's working VERY well. My corals are healthier than EVER, Two of MY RIC's that were dying going clear, are now SPLITTING after removing the skimmer. Im amazed actually at how well my other softies are doing too. In my case, I might not be typical though, as I think i was OVERSKIMMING my tank with my larger skimmers i build and sell, removing the good stuff with the bad" Manuelink on the scrubber site [from spanish]: "with algal over 4 months without water changes, no skimmer, no additives anything, just food and my corals growing like additives. the coralline algae and is infested by all sides, that speaks of good levels of alk and calcium. is a wonder this invention" Link to comment
nanoreefnate Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 Success Updates: Coolhandgoose on the scrubber site: "Since I installed the new light two weeks ago my nitrates have gone from 20 to 0. The cyano in my display is now starting to disappear." Desert_Fishy on the SWF site: "I started my 75g reef 5 months ago (2nd venture w/SW) and decided to start up with a scrubber and no skimmer due to this thread. All I have are powerheads, lights, scrubber and a heater. My water readings are perfect, corals are really flourishing, fish are happy and I spend 10 minutes a week cleaning the algae off the scrubber - although that is becoming a bigger and bigger job. My only problem now is that copepods, feather dusters and some other small pink bug-like creatures that live on the glass are multiplying out of control. I have feather dusters everywhere!" Toddo on the MFK site: "This is my 125 freshwater tank with medium bio load. I have an XP3 with Biomax/mech pads, and this scrubber as the only filtration now. Its been 12 days with just the scrubber for nitrate control. Nitrates and ammonia are still at zero. No water changes. This is significant, as my well water is 35-40ppm Nitrates. It grows enough algae to need weekly cleaning now. I had a specific freshwater requirement for low to no nitrates, and I have met that, using my scrubber. It was properly designed and built using info provided, and is now functioning as expected." DeathWish302 on the RC site: "The turf scrubber slowly drove out the cyano, and has been amazingly processing EVERYTHING I have thrown at the tank in regards to food." AlgaeNator on the scrubber site: "I have been running a version of ATS for about 2 months, and have been skimmerless for 4 weeks now, and am very happy with the ATS concept and performance so for. I have been running my prototype Victory Scrump for about 3 weeks now, to prove the concept and it's working VERY well. My corals are healthier than EVER, Two of MY RIC's that were dying going clear, are now SPLITTING after removing the skimmer. Im amazed actually at how well my other softies are doing too. In my case, I might not be typical though, as I think i was OVERSKIMMING my tank with my larger skimmers i build and sell, removing the good stuff with the bad" Manuelink on the scrubber site [from spanish]: "with algal over 4 months without water changes, no skimmer, no additives anything, just food and my corals growing like additives. the coralline algae and is infested by all sides, that speaks of good levels of alk and calcium. is a wonder this invention" First of all, RC is renown for its misinformation. secondly, pics? third, sorry for bumping this. Link to comment
HecticDialectics Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 Curious. No disaster updates. Link to comment
SantaMonica Posted November 30, 2009 Author Share Posted November 30, 2009 The trick of skimmer popularity In my reading of what is going on lately with the discussions of skimmer vs. skimmerless tanks, I'm seeing the same fallacy repeated over and over and over, usually by the most experienced reefers who have been around the longest: "Because everyone uses skimmers, a skimmer must be required or else they wouldn't use one." Or, "Every Tank-Of-The-Month has a skimmer, therefore a skimmer is required to give you the best chance of a TOTM." It's all completely irrelevant. I can't believe how many people fall for this line of reasoning. This trick is taught in Debate class in high school; It's called "Appeal to Poplulariy", otherwise known at Argumentum ad populum... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum On a side note, realize that many people are paid to promote skimmers. Millions of dollars are put into the marketing and promotion of skimmers, and some of that money goes into the pockets of the people who are posting reasons to have skimmers. Also, there must be a hundred companies who make skimmers, and all of them have promotion budgets. The job of promotion is to "get the word out". How many Algae Scrubber companies have promotion budgets? Zero, because there are no companies. Scrubbers are DIY. This is why the "popular thinking" is to use a skimmer... because skimmers are all anyone reads about. Promotion is my day job, and this is exactly how it works. Link to comment
Scott Riemer Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 You are a moron and you consistently fail to prove anything. Go away, please. Link to comment
lajz9 Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Are you implying that skimmer companies are paying NR members to use and promote their products? I don't see wtf this has to do with your POS "algae remover system". Link to comment
mbarton2010 Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 This guy just sucks. CLOSE DOWN THIS THREAD(said in Ronald Reagan voice) Link to comment
Scott Riemer Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 This guy just sucks. CLOSE DOWN THIS THREAD(said in Ronald Reagan voice) I wish I could, but he's not breaking the forum rules, just the rules of common sense. Link to comment
Seiryoku Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 HAHAHAHAHA! I remember this stupid thread from waaaaay back when. Link to comment
nemmy Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 The trick of skimmer popularity.... I bought a skimmer because i saw all the nasty crap they bring out of the water, not because of promotion. Its not like i see adds on every site i visit saying "your reef will die if you dont buy this". As per the "appeal to popularity", how is this going to make me "admired, sought after, or accepted"? Are girls going to start banging down my door because i have "the biggest skimmer on the block"? As for skimmers themselves being popular its because they work, end of story. If someone wants to buy a protein skimmer, let them. If someone wants to build a turf scrubber, let them. You dont need to come bash people saying they are mindless zombies who just do what everyone else says or does. Skimmers work, people buy them thats all there is to it. If your turf scrubber works great for you I'm happy, and I'm also happy that you promoting them has helped peoples tanks. But so have protein skimmers, and you dont need to get on people for their choice in organics reduction. Link to comment
Apoptosis Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 +1 on skimmers working. And working well for that matter. I prefer a billion bubbles removing the organics than a nasty plastic sheet with holes in it going nom nom nom nom. Just MHO. Link to comment
HecticDialectics Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 The trick of skimmer popularity blah blah blah It's all completely irrelevant. I can't believe how many people fall for this line of reasoning. This trick is taught in Debate class in high school; It's called "Appeal to Poplulariy", otherwise known at Argumentum ad populum... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum On a side note, realize that many people are paid to promote skimmers. Millions of dollars are put into the marketing and promotion of skimmers, and some of that money goes into the pockets of the people who are posting reasons to have skimmers. blah blah blah Whatever you say, Sarah Palin. Do micro-small algae remover systems also come with a free tinfoil hat? Link to comment
Mr. Fosi Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 I'm convinced. I'm going to throw my 9002 in the trash and burn down my house. Link to comment
Scott Riemer Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 I'm convinced. I'm going to throw my 9002 in the trash and burn down my house. Link to comment
Seiryoku Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 I'm convinced. I'm going to throw my 9002 in the trash and burn down my house. I'll raise you! How about I throw away both of my 9002's and by an Odyssea light fixture to burn down my house?! Link to comment
Deleted User 6 Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 where the hell have you been? HAHAHAHAHA! I remember this stupid thread from waaaaay back when. Link to comment
Mr. Fosi Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Watching and refraining from comment. Mr. Monica doesn't have anything new to add and continues to fail at making sense, so there isn't much to say that hasn't already been said. Link to comment
Marteen Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 I'm convinced. I'm going to throw my 9002 in the trash and burn down my house. I'll raise you! How about I throw away both of my 9002's and by an Odyssea light fixture to burn down my house?! I'll save you both the cash and burn down your houses free of charge! Link to comment
Deleted User 6 Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 i was talking about seurindgkioeu Link to comment
Deleted User 6 Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 i always know where you are at all times Fosi. always. Link to comment
datsun80 Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 Interesting articles. http://www.enst.umd.edu/about/Student%20Spotlight/index.cfm http://www.algalturfscrubber.com/ http://www.reefbuilders.com/forums/diy-pro...ber-thread.html Link to comment
datsun80 Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 More articles: http://www.chucksaddiction.com/The%20Natur...20Aquarium.html http://www.hydroponics.com.au/php/viewtopic.php?t=21 Link to comment
datsun80 Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 Aquarium using only an ATS. http://www.marineaquariumsa.com/featuredsystems/Aug2009/ Link to comment
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