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So? I think its something to do with the light refraction.

 

For example.. heres my purple/blue crocea from above:

 

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It is due to the nature the way light interacys with the clams pigments. the pigments are crystal like in nature and light reflecting off at different angles will show particular color shifts. Similar to reflect metal bicycle tape. depending on what angle the light hits it and what angel you are vewing you will see a different color. Not much you can do about it besides taking your photos from the same angle and/or changing the color of the light source

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BK...do a search for "iridiophores". ;)

 

That's what makes the clam's color change depending on the angle it's viewed at. Generally speaking, you'll get the "best" color taking a photo from the top straight down.

 

Cheers,

Fred

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snoopy's smart.

 

 

 

light reflecting off the clam

 

above tank:

 

water->air->eye

 

through tank

 

water->glass->air->eye

 

as light passes through one medium to another, it changes velocity (slows down or speeds up) and bends, depending on a characteristic of each medium called "refractive index." above the tank, the last medium to medium interface is water to air. through the tank, the last interface before reaching your eye is glass to air.

 

light with different attributes = different visual images

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Originally posted by FAC_WNY

BK...do a search for "iridiophores".  ;)

 

That's what makes the clam's color change depending on the angle it's viewed at.   Generally speaking, you'll get the "best" color taking a photo from the top straight down.  

 

Cheers,  

Fred

yes iridophores form the light reflecting chromophore layer in the mantle, but that's not the reason why the clam appears differently from above compared to through the side.

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"iridophores form the light reflecting chromophore layer in the mantle..."

 

And we see color how again? Oh yeah..that's right...relected light. As far as the color change goes...if you change the angle of incidence of viewed light, you'll change the perceived color. Think of a clams' mantles as holograms...as you change the angle of reflection, you change the perceived color of the hologram. Same thing with the mantle.

 

Cheers,

Fred

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Originally posted by FAC_WNY

And we see color how again?  Oh yeah..that's right...relected light.  As far as the color change goes...if you change the angle of incidence of viewed light, you'll change the perceived color.  Think of a clams' mantles as holograms...as you change the angle of reflection, you change the perceived color of the hologram.  Same thing with the mantle.

 

reflected light carries the same properties as its source, regardless of the angle it enters the eye.

 

refracted light, as i described earlier, does not have the same wavelenth as its source.

 

 

wavelength determines color (...not exclusively... there are things like color opponency that contribute). we (well most) of us are trichromats which means we have three cones blah blah blah.

 

iridophores are responsible for the iridescence you see in clams (whites, silvers..), not the color of the flesh. the color of the clam is more weighted on aspects of light absorption rather than reflectance. afterall, why would a photosynthetic organism want to load up its tissue with mirrors?

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I was just hoping that I could contribute (in some way) to the testosterone-fest, but alas, I cannot. Good info Adin! I always like the scientific approach. I have noticed this with my clam, though. It's teal from the top, and nearly purple from the side. If the glass slows the light down, and since purple is "slower" than blue/teal, this makes some sense. Am I even in the ballpark, adin?

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a little more into why i'd rather accept that the layer of glass (or acrylic) as a better explanation than simply "viewing angle" to explain Steve's observation...

 

glass (or acrylic) has a refractive index of roughly 1.5 (where air is about 1.0). a little tinkering with snell's law and we see that the the "critical angle" of glass-air is about 41 degrees.

 

critical angle? any photon travelling through the glass at an angle greater than 41 degrees will reflect and bounce around, trapped in the layer of glass (this is how fiber optics work by the way).

 

why is this important? light of different wavelenths travel through mediums slightly different from each other. this is known as "chromatic abberation" (and the reason you see sunsets and rainbows). light with shorter wavelengths tend to bend more than those of longer wavelength.

 

ok, now why is THAT important? when we say "light going through a medium of higher refractive index than its source, bends more," we're actually saying that it bends more towards the perpendicular (normal). so, taking one step back, it makes sense to say that longer wavelength light is more likely to fall victim to internal reflection (filtering).

 

if some of the longer wavelenth light is being removed from the Steve's side view (through glass), then i would expect the "filtered" compound light that results to be more weighted (skewed) towards the lower end of the visual spectrum...

 

 

purple.

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follow up on that... i guess someone out there is wondering why UV radiation does not pass right through glass. i bet it has something to do with UV giving up its energy to vibration (heat) in the glass environment--topic for another day

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We need to hear from someone who has been on a dive and seen these things in the wild..lol. Then we can settle whether or not it's the glass/acrylic once and for all.

 

Cheers,

Fred

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i was at barry's (of clams direct) retail place a couple weeks ago the day after he went to L.A. to pick up 100 clams. his tanks are the low prop type, about 4'X6' and 12 inches tall. i was looking down into the water at 100 clams and barry goes 'look at them from the side'. i almost fainted.

 

you think one looks amazing, try it with 100!

 

 

nalbar

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Originally posted by adinsxq

snoopy's smart.

 

light reflecting off the clam  

 

above tank:

 

water->air->eye

 

through tank

 

water->glass->air->eye

 

as light passes through one medium to another, it changes velocity (slows down or speeds up) and bends, depending on a characteristic of each medium called "refractive index." above the tank, the last medium to medium interface is water to air. through the tank, the last interface before reaching your eye is glass to air.  

 

light with different attributes = different visual images

Actually it does not speed up or down, that is impossible, what does chage is the wave length (frequency) Light travels at a known constant.

 

(this does not include the "bubble theory" of physics, not sure that is the proper name for it but it has to do with a vessel traveling inside a vessel. Also the theory by which warp speed travel is proposed)

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redneckvampire

This is just a S.W.A.G. but could it be that the pigment in the clams mantle is sort of like the Colorshift pigments used in auto paint. There are other examples with exotic metal coatings. If I'm not mistaken they use some to coat glass windows to allow the noon day sun to be filtered more than the evening sun. Sounds like this could be a defense against the harming effects of direct noon day sun. Allowing the mantle to absorb an even amount of sunlight throughout the day. I don't know...it sounds good to me.

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Randy,

 

We're not talking about the actual velocity of light. We're talking about the wavelengths. "Speed" is a more convenient term, but we're talking about longer wavelengths vs. shorter wavelengths.

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