hypostatic Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Yes! Here's a viv with a bunch of mini orchids: Link to comment
Legendary Corals Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Glad that you're finally out of the hospital M! I had no idea, I'll be sure to send you a couple of extra get well soon frags with your next box. And wow. Now I want frogs. I can't remember who it was... But there was an INSANE build where the guy even ran halides on top of the tank. Link to comment
natalia_la_loca Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 want...frogs...must...resist Link to comment
hypostatic Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 And wow. Now I want frogs. I can't remember who it was... But there was an INSANE build where the guy even ran halides on top of the tank. want...frogs...must...resist ONE OF US, ONE OF US Link to comment
Mirya Posted January 27, 2015 Author Share Posted January 27, 2015 Oh and one mini that I recommend is gastrochilus japonicus, super hardy, and is actually blooming for me right now near my windowsill. Here's a pic from google: I also see Lepanthes telipogoniflora on DB a lot. I think it's popular because it's like always in bloom if happy. Expensive though lol Oh and one of my favorites is macodes petola. Flowers aren't anything to call you mom about but the leaves have these amazing sparkling gold veins: I love all your suggestions! I knew I'd need to go with pretty small orchids, the Gastrochilus japonicus is really cool. I couldn't believe how small the blooms were when I did more image search. And as for the Lepanthes telipogoniflora, I like that too and continuous blooming sounds great. As for price, maybe corals have me jaded, but the prices I saw on a quick search didn't seem that bad in comparison. But then maybe other viv plants are a lot cheaper, IDK. The Macodes petola will need to be something I keep an eye on too. I like the leaf pattern too. I like the leaf pattern on this Pilea involucrata but the Macodes wins. Wait, you put orchids in with the froggies?!?! I luuuuuuv orchids!! This is how I convinced my husband that a vivarium would be cool. He grew up in Trinidad, then lived in Florida for 15 years before I dragged him off to decidedly non-tropical climates. (First Canada, now Ohio.) He really misses having orchids and other blooming plants around. I have a brown thumb and a cat always looking for greenery to graze on, so we've never had houseplants. When I told him I could put orchids in the viv, BAM instant acceptance even though he is revolted by the thought of fruit flies. I'm glad I have recruited Darwin and Natalia onto my crazy-frog train as well. Check out this viv with some Tinctorius "Robertus." I like the layout and how there are all these climbing spots. My understanding is that Tincs don't climb a lot, but here they are at the top of the viv: And instead of a coconut house for the frogs, they have a love shack in the top of the cork tube. (The structure on the right in the photo above.) Link to comment
hypostatic Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 As for price, maybe corals have me jaded, but the prices I saw on a quick search didn't seem that bad in comparison. But then maybe other viv plants are a lot cheaper, IDK. This is how I convinced my husband that a vivarium would be cool. He grew up in Trinidad, then lived in Florida for 15 years before I dragged him off to decidedly non-tropical climates. (First Canada, now Ohio.) He really misses having orchids and other blooming plants around. I'm glad I have recruited Darwin and Natalia onto my crazy-frog train as well. Check out this viv with some Tinctorius "Robertus." I like the layout and how there are all these climbing spots. My understanding is that Tincs don't climb a lot, but here they are at the top of the viv: "Expensive" I guess is a very relative term lol. Compared to regular foliage plants, they're more expensive. But you know, compared to corals they're still pretty cheap lol. Although I've heard the argument that the price is outrageous for a plant that ou might go a whole year without seeing flowers lol. Another plant that I have that I really like is columnea carnival: Oh and a really good source for terrarium plants is black jungle -- http://www.blackjungleterrariumsupply.com/for-Dart-Frog-Habitats_c_65.html Ah, I understand where your husband is coming from lol. I'm from Brazil; part of why I keep frogs is because it reminds me of Brazil and warmer weather lol. My mom is here is the US also, and she has this huge 7 foot bakers rack that I set up for her to grow orchids, complete with a mistking so she doesn't need to constantly keep an eye on them. She's never had more orchids stay alive and rebloom. You know, I think you should go for a huge viv. That way you get more frogs, and your husband gets more and larger orchids. Win-win, if you ask me. And yeah, tincs aren't as "arboreal" as the smaller frogs, but they will climb all over the entire viv. Researchers have actually found tinc tadpoles as high up as 60 feet in a tree, so they can certainly get around when they want to lol Link to comment
hypostatic Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 OH! and another plus to the whole frog/orchid setup is that the frogs will fertilize your orchids for you Link to comment
hypostatic Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 This is a "gold dust" pumilio, which has a metallic gold coloring: The metallic frogs are pretty wicked looking, although most of them are thumbnails. Ranitomeya imitator Ranitomeya sirensis Ranitomeya summersi Ranitomeya variabilis Ameerega bassleri "Chrome" (These guys are HUGE for dart frogs, and on my wish list lol) Link to comment
Mirya Posted January 30, 2015 Author Share Posted January 30, 2015 Did a pretty thorough cleaning and flatworm vacuuming on the tank yesterday. It looked all nice and sparkly, though of course there were flatworms out and about today. At least I temporarily dampened down their numbers! I still have 2 RFA in this tank that I am trying to evict to move over to my 24g. Right now I have a piece of black plexi sitting on top of one of them, encouraging him to move. So far all he does is streeeeettttttttccccchhhhh out to reach around the plexi to reach the light. I just want him to detach his foot from the rock darn it! And for today's frog porn... Of the thumbnails, I'm really liking the Ranitomeya variabilis and R. amazonica. I really want to see some thumbnails in person though. No matter how many pictures I see of them on a finger, my brain still can't wrap around how small they are. I wasn't familiar with the Ameerega genus, so I had to search those out. Here is A. yoshina I really like that species, but it doesn't look like it is available in the trade. I honestly still didn't find out much info about Ameerga though. How big do they get? Link to comment
hypostatic Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Yeah, it's nice to see the frogs before you actually buy them. I've found that, unlike corals, frogs usually look like the pictures, or nicer lol. I guess it's because everyone uses the same lighting standard. But yeah, especially the thumbnails it's nice to see them in person so you can grasp their size and see how bold they are. Like, the most beautiful frog might not be worth it if they're too small to see and always hiding. Frogs like tincs and terribilis are always out and you can spot them from across the room.I think the best place to check out Ameerega is understory enterprises; I think the have the largest selection of that genus. A pepperi "abiseo" looks sorta like that guy:If you're super interested in yoshina I think your best bet might be asking understory, posting on DB asking about them, or posting on the Facebook group called "rare amphibians classified". It's a small hobby in comparison to aquariums, so if you're looking for less common things it might take you a while before you find them.Ameerega can get a snout-vent length of about 2.5 inches. I think robertus tincs max out at about 2 (wild caught tincs tend to be substantially larger). Azureus is like a little over an inch. So yeah, they're like twice as large as azureus, so it's fairly substantial. They also tend to jump farther, so for those reasons I think they need more gallons per frog EDIT: Oh, also I wanted to mention that recently (2011?) R. amazonica was reclassified into R. variabilis, so sometimes you'll see them amazonica listed as variabilis Link to comment
FlowerMama Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 GOSH, they're all so pretty. As bright as RFAs. Link to comment
Mirya Posted January 31, 2015 Author Share Posted January 31, 2015 GOSH, they're all so pretty. As bright as RFAs. We are going to get you hooked next, Annette! Link to comment
hypostatic Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 frogs for everyonnneee Link to comment
FlowerMama Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 We are going to get you hooked next, Annette! oh HELL NO, already have more than I can handle!!! Link to comment
Mirya Posted February 5, 2015 Author Share Posted February 5, 2015 Mr. FedEx brought me something today. What could it be... Yup, frogs are going to happen! OK, not for awhile still, but I figured I could start buying drygoods when I see good deals. I signed up for New England Herpetoculture's mailing list, and they have good monthly deals. The MistKing and wood accents were on sale, and the bag of leaves was free. Hmmm, any objections if I start a viv build thread on N-R? I know Giga has one, but everything that guy touches is amazing. I do not expect my first viv to be Giga-level. However, I will be using a funky fishtank! Link to comment
kimberbee Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I definitely wanna see how this goes!! Link to comment
hypostatic Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Ah NE Herp is my favorite frog-supply vendor. Have you decided on which frogs you wanna get? Link to comment
frankdr Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Hmmm, any objections if I start a viv build thread on N-R? Only if I end up dropping money on another hobby.. and this is getting borderline.. Link to comment
Mirya Posted February 7, 2015 Author Share Posted February 7, 2015 Ah NE Herp is my favorite frog-supply vendor. Have you decided on which frogs you wanna get? Tincs I know for sure. As for the exact morph, undecided but something Cobalty. I showed my husband http://www.tinctorius.ch/index.php?id=15 and asked him what he liked. We definitely both liked the same morphs. Things like Brazilian Yellow Heads, French Guiana Dwarf Cobalt, Suriname Cobalts. Our favorite though as been the Robertus. I know both DendroKurt and JOneill have tads in the water, so maybe it isn't an unrealistic morph to shoot for. Snakes at Sunset has a wild caught pair up for sale, but as a newbie I think I'd rather go captive bred. Plus, by the time I'm ready to get frogs, I doubt that wild caught pair will still be for sale, and those tads should be out of the water. Also, I think I found a place with a good price on vivarium orchids -- J&L Orchids. They have a 3 pack for $48 that includes Barbosella dussenii, Lepanthes scalaris, Pleurothallis cf minutalis mounted on tree fern slabs. That seems like a good deal? Link to comment
hypostatic Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Ah, yeah, I wouldn't really recommend WC frogs as your first, because your usually require a bit more TLC and knowledge, and they also tend to be shyer than F1s or F2s. If you're looking for LARGE bold frogs that do extremely well in groups, I'd also recommend terribilis: But of course, you can't go wrong with tincs! Yeah, that seems like a good deal and J&L is a pretty good vendor (I actually bought an orchid from them at a show today lol). My only comment is that you MIGHT want bare root plants, as that'll make mounting the orchids where you want them easier. Although Maybe people just cover up the panels with moss lol. SPEAKING of orchids, I went to an orchid how today and saw the perfect setup for growing orchids and frogs: http://www.acmeorchidarium.com/home.html Link to comment
hypostatic Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Oh man, there's a vendor offering adults of the magenta/purple frogs: http://www.blackjungleterrariumsupply.com/Adult-Frog-Atelopus-hoogmoedi-nassaui_p_2797.html Link to comment
kimberbee Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Wow! so many awesome colors of frogs! I suppose it would be too much/difficult to keep a couple of every color? You'd have a rainbow in your froggy tank! Link to comment
FlowerMama Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Geez, I'm loving these frog colors. And once you have a successful tank here in saltwater, we're all for a thread on your froggies!!! I ca only imagine what beauty you could make in the tank w/ the orchids & such. Link to comment
Mirya Posted February 9, 2015 Author Share Posted February 9, 2015 First, in fish news... Down to 1 RFA left in this tank! Once I encourage that one to detach, the rescaping with zoas will begin. Of course the last one is going to be a bastard with its foot attached deep under the sand onto my rock. Also, if you didn't see the article on ReefBuilders highlighting the videos on Coral Morphologic, here it is. And here are the videos themselves. I lived in south Florida for a number of years, so the work that Colin Foord and Jared McKay do especially resonates with me. Yeah, that seems like a good deal and J&L is a pretty good vendor (I actually bought an orchid from them at a show today lol). My only comment is that you MIGHT want bare root plants, as that'll make mounting the orchids where you want them easier. Although Maybe people just cover up the panels with moss lol. SPEAKING of orchids, I went to an orchid how today and saw the perfect setup for growing orchids and frogs: http://www.acmeorchidarium.com/home.html Nice to hear that J&L is a good vendor. I've pinned them onto the Pinterest board I've started on various viv info. Also, that ACME Orchidarium is SMEXY. But a little beyond my price range... Oh man, there's a vendor offering adults of the magenta/purple frogs: http://www.blackjungleterrariumsupply.com/Adult-Frog-Atelopus-hoogmoedi-nassaui_p_2797.html Those are cool! My husband was talking about frogs he was used to from growing up on Trinidad. To him, dart frogs aren't small, they are the size of frog he is used to as normal. (For me, growing up in the Midwest and catching Leopard frogs and bullfrogs as a kid, dart frogs are just tiny though!) Anyway, these AFAIK aren't available for captively, but this is a really cool treefrog from Trinidad that my husband introduced me to -- the golden tree frog, Phytotriades auratus: Wow! so many awesome colors of frogs! I suppose it would be too much/difficult to keep a couple of every color? You'd have a rainbow in your froggy tank! Because froggers are trying to not intermingle the bloodlines of frogs from various localities and different localities have the different colors, you wouldn't really keep a tank with a bunch of different frogs in it. But I think I'm quickly learning why froggers tend to keep racks of a bunch of vivariums so that they can have that rainbow of frogs. I got a taste of that over the weekend... I was in Lawnman country (Indianapolis), to speak at a veterinary conference. While there I scoped out if there were any frog stores. (Alas, Premium Aquatics is closed on Sunday, the only time I had to visit them). I found one place called "The Mind's Eye." If you are in Indy, and you want a surreal experience, I suggest you go. It is a head shop with scfi memorabilia, minerals, dart frogs, cichlids, and discus. Yup, you read that right. Robert, the store owner, has been in business for 20+ years and sells what he enjoys. He is a glass blower, so blows all the pipes the store sells. He also is into geology, hence all the minerals. Same for the scifi memorablia. There is a whole separate room of the shop where the cichlids, discus and dart frogs are kept. He breeds all of them. He spent a lot of time talking to me about the frogs, and I got to see a variety of tincs, vents, and Santa Isabels. He is very passionate about his frogs and obviously wants to educate people about them. He showed me the tadpoles he is currently raising, and a bunch of Cobalt tinc froglets that had just finished morphing out and thus were just becoming terresterial. OMG THEY WERE SO CUTE, TINY, AND ADORABLE! (It was very had to not squeel when I saw them, or even not squeel while thinking about them.) I was really happy I went, even if I couldn't buy anything. It definitely cemented that I would like to get into dart frogs. Also the Santa Isabels were calling the entire time we were there. I found I really liked listening to them. (And, it made my husband feel nostalgic for Trinidad.) The other good thing about the visit is that my husband agreed now that he saw the frogs and vivs he definitely wanted me to get into it too (so long as I deal with the fruit flies.) He also is convinced that no matter how much I say now that I only want one vivarium, that I will eventually have several. (I said the same thing about fishtanks initially...) Link to comment
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