Mnesarchus Posted June 15, 2003 Share Posted June 15, 2003 I'm setting up a 4g (total 6g capacity) tank soon, and I dont plan to heat it. I am wondering what species (coral, invert, fish) would work without a heated system? I can only pinpoint Catilana Gobies so far, any more? Thanks Link to comment
Nishant3789 Posted June 15, 2003 Share Posted June 15, 2003 woah without heat doesnt mean cold, it just means varying temp are yuou planning on useing a chiller? where is the tank going to be? Link to comment
tinyreef Posted June 15, 2003 Share Posted June 15, 2003 much slimmer pickings with coldwater animals. not many divers. maybe you can get some deepwater net fishermen to set aside stuff they dredge up basically. there are many anemones and crustaceans that are coldwater but it's the collection process that makes them prohibitive. you may want to try out live shrimp on sale in those fish markets (i.e. cheap!). if you can handle their needs then i'd go onto looking for purty ones. (btw those shrimp are voracious mofos!) get an ac and a chiller. it's one thing to have a coldwater tank, it's another to have a coldwater tank in a warm room. (i.e. condensation) X) Link to comment
Mnesarchus Posted June 15, 2003 Author Share Posted June 15, 2003 The tank will have a temperature of 60f (with a chiller). Link to comment
c_k_kuehne Posted June 15, 2003 Share Posted June 15, 2003 I f you are talking 60 degrees then your really talking a temperate tank. In order to be successfull you would need either a thick acrylic or a double paned glass tank. Without --- it will sweat all over the place and you will constantly have a pudle on the floor. Also you will need to insulated all exposed plumbing sumps ect... or puddle on the floor. Years ago there were a few mail order places that sold temperate livestock from the pacific NW. Anemones, fish ect... I had a 10 gallon temperate setup. I double paned a 10 gallon tank myself. I used a mini freezer to chill the water and insulated everything. None of the temperate livestock needs any light so you can go bare minimum there. But they do need alot of feeding so a good sized skimmer would be in order. Basically I found it to be much more work then a normal reef. And a heater is much cheaper than a chiller setup. In the middle of this post I tried to find my pics of the 10 gal temperate nano. I know I have a few just can't locate them. Link to comment
BIGBOB Posted June 19, 2003 Share Posted June 19, 2003 I am setting up a room temp tank that will never go above 18 or 19 degrees C. The reason for this is so that when i go to Maine and washington i can collect from there wonderful tide pools. does anyone know an easy way to simulate tide pooling in a tank i have a surge tank goin that lowers the water level already Link to comment
skylsdale Posted June 19, 2003 Share Posted June 19, 2003 BIGBOB--I would recommend starting a seperate thread rather than hijacking this one. Also, check Anthony Calfo's book for plumbing tidal systems (and stick with just PNW or ME organisms--don't mix them. I wouldn't even consider keeping them unless you can keep the water temp in the 40's...with an occasional dip into the very low 50's). Mnesarchus--There is a HUGE difference between coldwater and temperate. A temp of 60*F might as well be a tropical tank for coldwater animals. The difference in temperature is just too great for them to be very longlived. Although some people say you can keep Catalina gobies at such a high temerature, those limits are still a LOT warmer than they are accustomed to in the wild. Tidal animals MAY be exposed to temp's in the 50's for a very short time if they get stuck in a small tide pool, but they are always saved when the tide comes back in. Keeping them at these temps is not healthy. I would look into a temperate tank, which may include areas of the Gulf, maybe the SE United States or Carolinas. Link to comment
BIGBOB Posted June 22, 2003 Share Posted June 22, 2003 not familiar w/ the abreviations; PNW and ME? Link to comment
deacon hemp Posted June 22, 2003 Share Posted June 22, 2003 pacific north west and middle east[carolinas]? Link to comment
skylsdale Posted June 22, 2003 Share Posted June 22, 2003 PNW = Pacific Northwest ME = Maine Sorry, I originally typed WA (Washington) and ME (Maine), but later typed in PNW since the region pretty much extends from California (yes, it's still pretty cold down there where the Catalina gobies are) all the way up through British Columbia. Link to comment
SLOreefer Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 catalina gobies are found in southern cali and the water temp rarely dips below 50 degrees there. i live on the central coast and the water here rearely goes below 50. i think the coldest i have seen is about 48 and that was during a long winter alaskan storm. i surf religously so i keep up on that sort of thing. catalina gobies would do excellent in 60degree water. i believe the water in so cal right now is about 62-63. Link to comment
c_k_kuehne Posted June 28, 2003 Share Posted June 28, 2003 There are many books which lists the Marinelife of different areas PNW, ME ect... There are not many books on settting up a temperate reef aquarium --- but I knew I had one so here it goes. The Temperate Reef Aquarium By David Wrobel Copyright 1991 Published By: California Reef Specialists 740 Tioga Ave. Sand City, CA 93955 (408) 394-7271 Of course the address and phone are from 1991 so I don't know if they are still valid or not but you might be able to find this if you do a little searching. It's a small book privately published that explains most of the areas to keeping a temperate aquarium. It even has a small section on maintaining a room temperature aquarium. David Wrobel's last know occupation was an aquarist at the Monterey Bay Aquarium Link to comment
c_k_kuehne Posted June 28, 2003 Share Posted June 28, 2003 OK -- in the above phone number the smiley was suppose to be an 8. I was able to find a pic of my 10 gal temperate tank. There was really only one good one so here it is. Link to comment
SaltyDawg Posted June 29, 2003 Share Posted June 29, 2003 I say go for deep water animals. The deeper the water the colder the water. Less cost on lighting set up too. As stated before by a few. Watch out for condensation! All you need to do is come home to a house on fire when the water collects on the glass/acrilyc and drips on a power source. Not to mention water damage over time to the stand / table, and carpet. If the ambient temp. out side the tank is even 10-15 degrees different you will get condensation. As far as corals I would opt for deep water floridian animals or north atlantic species. Pobably gonna be hard pressed to find any corals that will ike cold water though. Quite a few fish out there though. Eel's , Certain sea horses, some type of cady bass . ect ect Link to comment
Aware Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 plenty of inverts though, a friend had a 150gallon cold tank in the uk, most stock was collected from whitby beach, looked quite impressive, especially the kick ass 1.5 foot crab he had in there........scary! Link to comment
C-Rad Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 There are many books which lists the Marinelife of different areas PNW, ME ect... There are not many books on settting up a temperate reef aquarium --- but I knew I had one so here it goes. The Temperate Reef Aquarium By David Wrobel Copyright 1991 Published By: California Reef Specialists 740 Tioga Ave. Sand City, CA 93955 (408) 394-7271 Of course the address and phone are from 1991 so I don't know if they are still valid or not but you might be able to find this if you do a little searching. It's a small book privately published that explains most of the areas to keeping a temperate aquarium. It even has a small section on maintaining a room temperature aquarium. David Wrobel's last know occupation was an aquarist at the Monterey Bay Aquarium The current (and I think, only) place to get this book is from: Sea Life Supply (formerly "California Reef Specialists") (831) 394-0828 info@sealifesupply.com The book is $20.00 plus $3.00 S&H Link to comment
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