My nano

can someone post a link that shows how much mileage a tang covers in a typical day so the op can review it? i'm too lazy to google it. needless to say, it's a lot, way more than can be covered in a tank that size. it's just not kind to put one in a small tank. have i earned my police badge now?

ah.. so thats why they aren't supposed to be in a tank under 75gallons? because of how much mileage they cover? i always wondered that.

You obviously know everything, please teach us more Stacy.

Im just very attentive in feeding, tank care, water quality, ect.. Once again they have a tang in there 14 gal as well. nothings upset. it does not seem stressed out nor does mine. Its a pretty mature tank even though its not ideal size. Every LFS has there own opinion and experience. If it gets too big or seems unhappy I would NOT keep it in the tank. plain and simple. If you do look into getting one there very common for parasites and infections so be sure to quarantine it or do a fresh water dip. Heres the name and the number of the place if your still not convinced . Ocean city phone # 403 277 8678. He has a strong chinese accent so if your not used to hearing that it may be hard to understand him. cheers

i just read that you shouldnt even put them in a 90gallon tank. more like 125+ gallons :X

Suck it stevieT.

Breakin the law , Breakin the law! Feels good to be a rebel....

okay I'm chinese so I can say this... we're not exactly known for being very honest ppl... in fact alot of us would do anything to make a few $'s. I'm just saying that's all. I'm not sure if you can trust your LFS either. Just take what they say with a grain of salt that's all.

yeah all you have to do is google or search on these forums about tangs... i mean if you do that it's pretty clear that you shouldnt have one of these in a tank under 100gallons from what ive read... OTHERWISE i definitely would have gotten one as i take really really good care of my tank too.

The difference is ur lfs keeps a tang in a tiny tank so it's easier to catch and sell to a costumer! If lfs put the fish they have in tanks that were appropriate for them it would take forever to catch them and stress the hell out of the fish because it is being chased around with a net!!

Next time I am in Canadia we'll make that a date

The tang was a trade for some xenia I did not want in my tank. Also he gave me a huge chunk of green star polyp for free. WIERD. its not about the money my friend. Maybe he thinks im sexy?? lol .Fluffeh, your just jealous.

i am jealous, i want a hippo tang but i dont have a 100+ gallon tank! lol

Stevie wins yayyyyye

You all need to just chill. FACT . IM KEEPING MY HAPPY TANG.

"suck it stevieT"

Sig worthy....

yes but see now he has you as a customer and you'll go back so it is about $. I'm just saying to be cautious. Think about it and do a few google searches before you commit that's all. We're all prone to impulse buying or getting a great deal but at the same time we're talking about living things. And just for the record... GSP is considered a pest by some.

KEEPING MY TANG. If you could find some way to teleport your way into my house and steal the tang then you would win. Let me know if you invent that.

i would teleport but i dont have a big enough tank for the tang

"The novice or amateur hobbyist can't tell if the fish is okay or not and thus can't tell if they have successfully kept the fish or not. There is a difference between a surviving fish and thriving fish: Survive or Thrive? and the hobbyist quite often can't tell the difference. But, all is not lost -- there are ways of telling.

Fist don't talk to us, so we can't tell from sounds if they are okay. Fish behavior is a mystery to those who are hobbyists. They are leaning about it, but really don't know to properly interpret whether a fish is okay or not. Another way to look at it is that the hobbyist doesn't know what normal behavior is, so how do they know abnormal behavior? Thus, how would they know if they have successfully kept the fish?

So ALL your responses to this post will be opinion. I can only offer facts, if you're interested in that. Although you specifically don't want 'No Tang Police' I'm afraid this is how this will sound. This is because the Tang Police come from a sense of what they believe is right, or as in my case, facts.

The average reef Tang will travel up to 25 miles a day seeking food. As the fish grows, it needs more space in the confines of an aquarium. A tiny, or 'baby' Tang is fine in a smaller tank. So to ask a proper question, you need to specify the size of the Tang involved. Your post doesn't do this.

So, let's assume the Tang is under [2] inches. In that size aquarium -- either one -- no problem -- for a while.

In the Tang's transition from juvenile to adult, it is about in the 4" to 6" size. At this point in time the length of the tank is important. Starting at 6 feet long and going up is their best housing. The larger the Tang, the higher the gallonage and the longer distance is needed. For instance, some Tangs reach 2 feet in length. Now of course that size Tang in a 75 to 90 would be ludicrous, or you if the reader finds it amusing, it would be cruel. That Tang belongs in no less than a 500 gallon tank.

Now, how do we know this? What separates our interpretations of what the fish 'looks like' from what the fish is really an issue? What are the measurements of success? There are two ways.

1. Lifespan; continued uninterrupted health. When a fish is stressed, its life is reduced. The more stress, the more it is reduced. Show my a Tang in a 75 gallon tank that has been fed properly for more than 6 years and I would be shocked. NOTE: it must be fed properly. Why? Because one of those Tangs that grows to 2 feet in captivity will grow about 1.5 inches per year while a baby, 1. inch a year while a juvenile and young adult. So this fish would be over 8 inches in that time frame. There are signs of this stress (pacing, continued health, coloration, etc.), which, without going into detail is found in this post: Fish Stress - General

2. Measuring stress. Stress can be chemically measured in our fish. Yes, we say a fish that does a lot of pacing is showing signs of stress, a fish that gets ill now and then is in stress, a fish that has peculiar behavior (assuming the hobbyist really knows what normal behavior is) is stressed, but there is a way to measure stress. Without going into detail that is covered in this post and it has to do with physiology: Fish Stress - A Technical/Physiological Approach

Simply put -- a physiological study of an 8" Tang in a 180 gallon aquarium for 2 years, moved into a 500 gallon tank, show by physiological measurements that its stress was considerably reduced -- not gone. I don't own the rights to this study, so I can't share it, but I know the facts. However this doesn't mean that anyone who doubts what I have written can't do the same tests themselves. It was reproducible then as it is now.

I have nothing else to say on this subject, so won't be following along with this thread.

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"Maybe he thinks im sexy?? "

post a pic and we can get to the bottom of this

Beautiful tank, the tang is just out of place there. I suggest you save for the future upgrade...say, a huge tank. If you want something blue and yellow, get a yellow-tail damsel. Those fish would work just fine with a clownfish, I think, IMO. My clownfish hates me, and bites the heck outta me everytime I put my hand in the tank.

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hmm, has potential

first of all, hilarious. second get rid of the tang. take warning from the people who have the experience to back up their comments, i dont care what the guy in the lfs said. he is wrong. so, so, so very wrong. he may be fine for months but eventually he will start to suffer. and as a lover of reefs i would think you wouldnt want a fish to suffer. let me trap you in a 8'x8' room and see how happy you are after awhile.