Clown79 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 I'm interested in trying this product to reduce my nitrates in my 15g and 10g. I have tried purigen but it hasn't done a thing. Do you need to use a skimmer with this product? Or a doser? Has anyone seen good results with this or is there another product thats better? Link to comment
Tmr8188 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 I tried using full aquaforest for a month. I was trying to achieve my ideal parameters. My coral suffered and I ended up with dinos. I really like the reef salt though. Imo you are far better controling nitrates the traditional ways. Your mileage may vary. Link to comment
Partially Submerged Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 or is there another product thats better? There absolutely is: Link to comment
Droy008 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 I have used the Aquaforest pro bio-s as well as np-pro. I have noticed that my nitrates fall significantly the day after dosing 1 drop of each. The problem is I also dose 1 ml of NoPox at the same time. I will say that after switching to the prebiotic reef salt and pro bio-s, np-pro, my nitrates/phosphates consistently stay borderline ULNS. But remember YMMV. Link to comment
Clown79 Posted January 18, 2017 Author Share Posted January 18, 2017 Ya waterchanges aren't cutting it. I just did a 50% waterchange on my 10g with changing my full sand bed, then another 15% and nitrates are still 10. I have 1 fish and no over feeding. Link to comment
jestep Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 What's your feeding schedule? 50% water change will cut your nitrates in half, so if you are at 20 ppm, you need to do 4 - 50% water changes to get down to 2.5 ppm. For small tanks, water changes are the most economical and surefire way to reduce NO3. If you can add a skimmer, there are a number of other methods but without one, your options are extremely limited. Just about about everything highly effective out there is going to require a skimmer or other hardware component. Link to comment
teejay Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 What's your feeding schedule? 50% water change will cut your nitrates in half, so if you are at 20 ppm, you need to do 4 - 50% water changes to get down to 2.5 ppm. For small tanks, water changes are the most economical and surefire way to reduce NO3. If you can add a skimmer, there are a number of other methods but without one, your options are extremely limited. Just about about everything highly effective out there is going to require a skimmer or other hardware component. 3 water changes would get him to 2.5. 4 would be 1.25 (in that example) Link to comment
Clown79 Posted January 18, 2017 Author Share Posted January 18, 2017 Well my nitrates were 10 before the 50% and still are 10. My feeding, i feed 1x a day a few pellets, the fish eats pellet by pellet. 1x a week a small amount of frozen. I feed the corals 1 time a week a small amount. Thats it. Use distilled water, no additives, dose every other day esv bionic. Use carbon - changed every 3 weeks, bag rinsed weekly. Purigen Floss changed as soon as it needs changing. My sand was just completely changed. Pump/hose cleaned monthly, and back chambers every other waterchange. It actually makes no sense why this tanks nutrient levels don't drop. Even with multiple waterchanges, it just creeps back up. Link to comment
SelectedByNature Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Sounds like you have a little piggy fish in your 10g! Or tests are inconclusive? How soon after the 50% change did it creep back up it should have been 5 for a while at least? Link to comment
teejay Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 What nitrate kit are you using? And have you checked your water that you're doing the water change with rather then just assuming it's 0? Also, 10 ppm nitrates is by no means high and not something that I would personally even care about. Here's a pic of my tank, and it runs between 20-40 ppm nitrates. Link to comment
Clown79 Posted January 18, 2017 Author Share Posted January 18, 2017 The last time i checked my waterchange water it was 0. How are your sps handling the nitrates? In my 15g its about 7 and i have no algae issues and everything is fine. In my 10g, i've had ongoing issues with various algaes. I've tried so many things. Link to comment
teejay Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 SPS have no issue with the higher nitrates, at one point my tank tested 100 ppm Nitrates on a Salifert kit. There's a big thread about this recently on another forum as well. Phosphate is really where you're going to run into more issues in my experience. Link to comment
smeagol108 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 and if you care that much about your nitrates being 10 or whatever they are, you have a 10 gallon tank, do a 100 percent water change. the fish will automatically go to the lowest area of the tank and will be perfectly fine flopping in just enough water for a second while you start filling it back up. I do this often on my 16 gallon with 6 fish!. (tank has been running 2 years). Also, if you changed your sandbed you likely kicked up mad detritus which will now further break down over the next few days and cause potential ammonia spikes followed by increased nitrates yet again... Most people change their sandbeds in patches (one area each time they do a water change) when they are ready to change it. Link to comment
Clown79 Posted January 18, 2017 Author Share Posted January 18, 2017 I just did over 50%. If nitrates are no longer considered an issue for sps, then i'm not worried. Link to comment
John L Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 I use probio F and S daily as instructed. I stopped using them for 2 wks to see if it made a difference, my nitrates and phosphates did shoot up. I then started again my nitrates are again consistently 0 or 'trace'. My lfs tests my water once a fortnight using thier salifert test kits. I also use purigen, rowaphos and chaeto but I swear aquaforest seems to keep things nicely in check. I feed quite a lot daily 4 fish 20g (and i have Just upgraded my tank 1 wk ago. ). Give pro bio F and S a try, its not cheap but lasts ages. Link to comment
Clown79 Posted January 20, 2017 Author Share Posted January 20, 2017 Thank you. Do you need a skimmer for the product? I'd imagine it would last long, 1 drop for 27g, my tank is 10g. Link to comment
John L Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Your welcome clown 79. You don't necessarily need a skimmer, the instructions say that the bacteria convert the phosphates and nitrates into a bio mass that the corals / sponges etc will consume, and/ or you can use a skimmer to take out. I don't have a skimmer, all good so far. Link to comment
Clown79 Posted January 20, 2017 Author Share Posted January 20, 2017 Excellent. Finally a product that doesn't need a skimmer? Link to comment
Clown79 Posted January 20, 2017 Author Share Posted January 20, 2017 Excellent. Finally a product that doesn't need a skimmer? Link to comment
jestep Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Please keep this updated of you try a skimmerless method. I know I and others would like to see an effective nutrient control method, besides changes, for skimmer-less tanks. Link to comment
basser1 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 I am using the "full" AF line. I use their probiotic reef salt along with the NP Pro and Pro BIO F. For dosing, I use their Components 1-2-3, dosed daily. I also use their carbon and phosphate minus. So far after using for a few weeks, the tank looks good and the acros show good color. I do run a Tunze skimmer and the cup does pull some nasty looking stuff. My nitrates run about 10 ppm and that's alright with me and my P04 is 0 according to my Hanna checker. I do dose acropower once a week. Link to comment
Clown79 Posted January 21, 2017 Author Share Posted January 21, 2017 I think when i get the product I will start a thread so that everyone can keep up with the experience. Obviously in such small tanks I will only need to dose very little as its 1 drop per 27g. Link to comment
brandon429 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Not a him lol and clown is always gracious for the assumption I held it for a year. Link to comment
Clown79 Posted January 21, 2017 Author Share Posted January 21, 2017 Lol. Nah, I wouldn't hold it against anyone? Link to comment
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