Breeding Bangaii Cardinals

[Wizzy]

I've read about people having Bangaii Cardinal Fry survive without any special care.

 

What if I set up a 55 gallon tank specifically with this in mind.

 

Meaning- Deep sand bed, rock, and macro algaes to encourage copepod breeding and provide hiding spaces for fry.

 

The only stock would be a mated pair of bangaii cardinals and only food added would be frozen for the adults.

 

I haven't thought too much about specifics, because I wanted to see what people thought about the idea first.

 

Input Please! -Wizzy(:

[Wizzy]

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[Tamberav]

I would go look up Bangaii Cardinal on http://www.mbisite.org and read the breeding journals. Looks like there are cases of them having surviving babies in tanks left on their own. Seems like the major problem is the male swallowing the eggs. One breeder made a fake urchin for his pair.

[JoeDigiorgio]

It's been done that way but not with any amount of reliability. The babies are easy to raise once you get the male to hold to term. It's honestly not even worth the space or time to try it this way IMO. They'll breed for you in much smaller tanks.

[littlepieceofnature]

I've been wanting to try breeding them too. Curious to see how this turns out if you try it

[Wizzy]

Thanks for the input guys,

 

However, let me clarify.

 

I have a pretty good understanding of how to breed Bangaii Cardinals in the traditional format.

 

Does anyone have any more opinions on setting up a tank with 1 specific goal in mind- raising the fry of Bangaii Cardinals without the addition of special food, separation of adults, etc.

 

Tank needs- large population of copepods, hiding places, and ?

 

Thanks- Wizzy

 

 

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[ALexpsycho]

 

Try a DIY Urchin to protect the babys...You see the male carrying eggs in his mouth...You should wander of the pollution of the tank...those small ones eat 2 times a day..live Artemia and then maybe frozen cyclops...They grow fast...

 

I wish you soon to have your tank bred Cardinals.

 

 

 

 

[MeepNand]

Wizzy, if you already have bred cardinals, why not try? You don't stand to lose much.

[Wizzy]

Thanks for the info guys. As far as the DIY urchins are concerned I was hoping with enough natural hiding places the pair would feel secure enough to release their young and the young wouldn't be eaten due to the amount of hiding areas.

 

And actually, I didn't say I've ever bred cardinals, but I feel as if I pretty much know the basic care requirements for the fry.

 

I guess what I'm looking for is someone who has tried something like this before which it doesn't seem like there is anyone or at least they aren't posting on this thread lol.

 

As far as what I stand to lose... theres time and money- both of which I don't have much of (I know, I chose the wrong hobby lol).

 

Anyway, if anyone else wants to offer advice on how to setup a 55 gallon tank with the goal of raising Bangaii Cardinals without any additional fry care that would be awesome!

[MeepNand]

You might as well try. Even if it doesn't work out, you can still have a school of Bangaii cardinals.

[Wizzy]

Well, like I said time and money lol. But for the most part you are right.

 

 

And also it would only be two unless they successfully procreated.

 

lol.

[MikeTR]

already got the tank? i'd go for it.. u dont have to maintain reef quality water either.

[Wizzy]

Lol. I do happen to have a 55 gallon tank lying around haha

 

Unfortunately, I lack lighting and the filtration.

 

Anyway, I just set up my brand spankin' new 35 Gallon Hex so that's my focus atm.

 

I may do the 55 still. I was just really hoping I'd get more input, but I feel a little alone on this one so far.

 

If I get more serious I'll do some sketch-ups and see if I can garner any info before I just go for it.

 

Thanks for the suggestion though

[Really]

Thanks for the input guys,

 

However, let me clarify.

 

I have a pretty good understanding of how to breed Bangaii Cardinals in the traditional format.

 

Does anyone have any more opinions on setting up a tank with 1 specific goal in mind- raising the fry of Bangaii Cardinals without the addition of special food, separation of adults, etc.

 

Tank needs- large population of copepods, hiding places, and ?

 

 

 

 

 

Are you serious ? Really you have a good understanding ? rofl why not get a clue or GOOGLE

baby banggai don't eat copepods when they are first released from the fathers mouth the food that is small enough easy to catch is baby brine shrimp. and to laugh at you more I quote you "without the addition of special food" without you adding food small enough for them to eat just before release the food will out grow the rate the fish are able to eat them and you will have to ADD SPECIAL FOOD. Now I get your ultimate goal to let the cardinal breed with higher success than totally natural like in the wild but easy enough that its on their own. Possible ? yes. Worth it ? no . Not even a little bit . Either you want the raise babies or not. Period .

[Really]

Either you care enough to do it as informed and as best as you can, or don't do it at all. Doing anything half assed shows you do everything that way.

 

 

"The Banggai Cardinalfish: A 10 Year Update" by Dr. Frank Marini and Dr. Alejandro Vagelli, C The Journal, Volume 2, Issue 1, pages 41 to 54 - (editorial note - this is a must have current article for the Bangaii Breeder)

"The Complete Illustrated Breeder's Guide to Marine Aquarium Fishes", Matthew L. Wittenrich, pages 221-223.

"Significant increase in survival of captive-bred juvenile Banggai cardinalfish Pterapogon kauderni with an essential fatty acid-enriched diet." - Vagelli, A. A. - http://www.cababstractsplus.org/google/ ... 0043093352

"Breeding the Banggai Cardinalfish" by Ross, Richard & Pedersen, Matt - Reef Hobbyist Magazine, 4th Quarter, 2008.
http://www.reefhobbyistmagazine.com/arc ... ue_8-6.htm

8.2 - Web Content

2007 IUCN Redlist - http://www.iucnredlist.org/search/details.php/63572/ref

My notes and observations on Raising and Breeding the Banggai Cardinalfish, by Frank Marini - http://www.breedersregistry.org/Article ... marini.htm

"Manual for the Production of the Banggai Cardinalfish, Pterapogon kauderni, in Hawai‘i" - Steve Hopkins, Harry Ako and Clyde S. Tamaru @ Rain Garden Ornamentals - http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/seagrant/co ... -Final.pdf

Captive care and Breeding of the Banggai cardinal fish Pteragon kauderni - Reefs.org Talk Log with Frank Marini - http://www.reefs.org/library/talklog/f_ ... 20799.html

Breeding Pterapogon mirifica on Reef Central by Alex Vagelli - http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthrea ... t=mirifica

Bangaii Cardinals by Andrea Bishop - http://www.geocities.com/capecanaveral/ ... dinal.html

Reefers Realm Bangaii Breeding Pictures - http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Gard ... hotos.html

Breeding Banggai Cardinals (Pterapogon kauderrni)
by Rennie Bowe - http://www.aquafind.com/articles/Breedi ... dinals.php

The Joys of Tank Raised Banggai Cardinalfish by Keith Clark - http://www.reefs.org/library/talklog/k_ ... 02499.html

Bangaii Cardinalfish Breeding by Nagel - http://www.appalachianreef.com/index.ph ... &Itemid=41

Bangaii FAQs on WetWebMedia - http://www.wetwebmedia.com/banggaifaqs.htm

Bangaii Reproduction FAQs on WetWebMedia - http://www.wetwebmedia.com/banggairepro.htm

 

[llama roadkill]

Are you serious ? Really you have a good understanding ? rofl why not get a clue or GOOGLE

baby banggai don't eat copepods when they are first released from the fathers mouth the food that is small enough easy to catch is baby brine shrimp. and to laugh at you more I quote you "without the addition of special food" without you adding food small enough for them to eat just before release the food will out grow the rate the fish are able to eat them and you will have to ADD SPECIAL FOOD. Now I get your ultimate goal to let the cardinal breed with higher success than totally natural like in the wild but easy enough that its on their own. Possible ? yes. Worth it ? no . Not even a little bit . Either you want the raise babies or not. Period .

 

People come to this forum for help, not to here that they need to "Google" it.

[MikeTR]

Here's the most pertinent link on bangaii breeding I've ever found... Really (the poster) should read it.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=GTFO

[Wizzy]

What the heck "Really"?

 

It was just an idea. No need to get so upset...

 

Thanks to Mike and llama for understanding.

[MikeTR]

The dude has 3 posts.. 2 of which are in here.. so must be an alt? Hence the GTFO. Do whatever, if 2 live, that's 2 less out of the wild and 100 that didn't die on the ride over.

Just like the guy who accidentally was successful at captive breeding the cleaner wrasse while breeding angels. Deformities are really high.. and could just be part of the process.

http://reefbuilders.com/2013/07/25/captive-bred-cleaner-wrasse/

[Wizzy]

On 8/2/2013 at 12:22 PM, MikeTR said:

The dude has 3 posts.. 2 of which are in here.. so must be an alt? Hence the GTFO. Do whatever, if 2 live, that's 2 less out of the wild and 100 that didn't die on the ride over.

 

Just like the guy who accidentally was successful at captive breeding the cleaner wrasse while breeding angels. Deformities are really high.. and could just be part of the process.

 

http://reefbuilders.com/2013/07/25/captive-bred-cleaner-wrasse/

 

 

Thanks Mike, I may end up trying it if I can find time in between working on my other tanks.