DIY to my own designed system. NEED FEEDBACK!

[mirtnm]

Hey guys I'm Jun Sang. I made this "smart" tank design as a long time hobbyist and am trying to get it into production. Please let me know what you think!! Thanks!!

http://igg.me/at/dokdotank/x/10741772

facebook at https://www.facebook.com/dokdotank

[Horerczy]

The link doesn't take me anywhere.

 

Sad. I love looking at people's LED rigs.

[HarryPotter]

Looks pretty nice, but I dislike how it is advertised as "No water changes required". Unless you have a doser for supplementing trace elements, water changes would be required for LPS and SPS.

 

Overall very interesting system. The app looks user friendly, and the hardware durable as well. The video showing the clownfish is also cool, but personally I would rather a time lapse of SPS growth under your lights.

 

Questions:

 

Is there a package with all 5 probes?

Can the "System Sump" be used on a different tank?

[mirtnm]

 

Looks pretty nice, but I dislike how it is advertised as "No water changes required". Unless you have a doser for supplementing trace elements, water changes would be required for LPS and SPS.

 

Overall very interesting system. The app looks user friendly, and the hardware durable as well. The video showing the clownfish is also cool, but personally I would rather a time lapse of SPS growth under your lights.

 

Questions:

 

Is there a package with all 5 probes?

Can the "System Sump" be used on a different tank?

Thank you so much for checking it out! I understand how it might be annoying that it says no water change, but there is further explanation on that further down the page, there is a package with all 5 probes called the Pacific Ocean perk on the right hand side. The sump can be used on other tanks too, it just hangs on the back side so if you have a bigger tank then you can use multiple sumps! As for the doser, I use a calcium reactor for a coral shower instead of dosing. I didn't have the time to make a timelapse, but I am going to be working on that to show it in a timelapse.

The link doesn't take me anywhere.

 

Sad. I love looking at people's LED rigs.

www.facebook.com/dokdotank is my facebook page there is some stuff up on there about the lighting @Horerczy

[HarryPotter]

www.facebook.com/dokdotank is my facebook page there is some stuff up on there about the lighting @Horerczy

 

@Harryjsinger Thank you so much for checking it out! I understand how it might be annoying that it says no water change, but there is further explanation on that further down the page, there is a package with all 5 probes called the Pacific Ocean perk on the right hand side. The sump can be used on other tanks too, it just hangs on the back side so if you have a bigger tank then you can use multiple sumps!

Thanks for the reply- it's pretty cool! Are you planning on selling the controller unit (outlets, probes, wireless) seperately? I am very interested in it!

[mirtnm]

Thanks for the reply- it's pretty cool! Are you planning on selling the controller unit (outlets, probes, wireless) seperately? I am very interested in it!

Yes, that's what I hope the campaign can help me do. I decided to promote it as an all-in-one unit for now so the non-hobbyists can have a use for it too. I want to sell each component seperately as well as put out a wavemaker I have designed already, but couldn't include in the campaign because of cost issues.

[mirtnm]

The link doesn't take me anywhere.

 

Sad. I love looking at people's LED rigs.

Try this link, the other one was a shortcut link. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/dokdo-tank-the-smart-all-in-one-aquarium--2/x/10741772#/story

[DurocShark]

Your campaign has already been yanked. What's up?

 

lol you posted a new link while I was uploading the screenshot.

[mirtnm]

Your campaign has already been yanked. What's up?

 

lol you posted a new link while I was uploading the screenshot.

No it hasn't been yanked! It is still up and live! Made some changes to the texts and what not to meet the demands from feedback I've been getting. Let me know if you have any opinions on it, I am constantly trying to make the page better so I can start making the actual product better!! Thanks for your reply!! http://igg.me/at/dokdotank/x/10741772

No it hasn't been yanked! It is still up and live! Made some changes to the texts and what not to meet the demands from feedback I've been getting. Let me know if you have any opinions on it, I am constantly trying to make the page better so I can start making the actual product better!! Thanks for your reply!! http://igg.me/at/dokdotank/x/10741772

Indiegogo does not allow pages to be searched for until it meets an algorithm called the "gogofactor" so it took us to get some backing and trending to get up on the actual indiegogo page!

[jaynkeel]

Looks like your a new member here and I am guessing your posting this to get the word out for your system, not really a diy but a marketing campaign. Might want to upgrade your membership and become a sponsor here or something. Looks better to me anyway, personally it makes me feel like your just using the forum to promote your product without supporting the community. Just my opinion...That and people might lean more to supporting you here.

[CJJon]

Looks like your a new member here and I am guessing your posting this to get the word out for your system, not really a diy but a marketing campaign. Might want to upgrade your membership and become a sponsor here or something. Looks better to me anyway, personally it makes me feel like your just using the forum to promote your product without supporting the community. Just my opinion...That and people might lean more to supporting you here.

+1

[Jonnywhoop]

I'm sorry, the concept and everything seems nice in theory but you need to change your water regardless. The waste produced in your tank will overtake the simple RO ATO. You will need to replenish all of the media as well. Telling people it is water change free is a little misleading. If your target is kids and young families believing they can take care of "nemo" in their home, then sure you can market to them until they get a tank ridiculed by algae and pests. But you're barking up the wrong tree trying to target hobbiests like us with an AIO that has already been accomplished by several manufacturers. The sump design sounds pretty cool and I wouldn't mind using that on my tank, but your marketing strategy for a product that doesn't solve any problems we currently have will just end in losing a lot more capital than any return.

 

Not being harsh or judgemental. This is my opinion from a business perspective where you have to think as a founder.. is the capital/time/effort invested really going to make the rate of return I'm expecting?

[mirtnm]

I'm sorry, the concept and everything seems nice in theory but you need to change your water regardless. The waste produced in your tank will overtake the simple RO ATO. You will need to replenish all of the media as well. Telling people it is water change free is a little misleading. If your target is kids and young families believing they can take care of "nemo" in their home, then sure you can market to them until they get a tank ridiculed by algae and pests. But you're barking up the wrong tree trying to target hobbiests like us with an AIO that has already been accomplished by several manufacturers. The sump design sounds pretty cool and I wouldn't mind using that on my tank, but your marketing strategy for a product that doesn't solve any problems we currently have will just end in losing a lot more capital than any return.

 

Not being harsh or judgemental. This is my opinion from a business perspective where you have to think as a founder.. is the capital/time/effort invested really going to make the rate of return I'm expecting?

I understand the confusion, but I am not trying to market this to hobbyists. From what I hear the hobbyists are only interested in the Reef Monster controller unit so I took that feedback and made it available as a separate unit. As for the no water change marketing, it is purely directed towards non-hobbyists which is why I am including an instructional/comprehensive/aquarium for dummies manual with the tank package.

[mirtnm]

+1

 

Looks like your a new member here and I am guessing your posting this to get the word out for your system, not really a diy but a marketing campaign. Might want to upgrade your membership and become a sponsor here or something. Looks better to me anyway, personally it makes me feel like your just using the forum to promote your product without supporting the community. Just my opinion...That and people might lean more to supporting you here.

Yes, I am a new member, but I am not here to promote. I am specifically here to get hobbyist feedback to help fix any issues on my campaign. I am a long time hobbyist who needs other hobbyist's advice on my own tank design (might not fit the bill of the the typical DIY, but I DID DO THIS MYSELF!) If it was a marketing plan I wouldn't be here listening to advice and making changes according to them.

[CJJon]

So you grew out 200 clownfish fry in the tank for two years and no water changes?

 

 

What you just watched is a school of clown fish being raised in the Dokdo Tank over a two-year period, and the water in the aquarium was never changed. We just added water when necessary to the water supply box, added activated carbon once a month and 1 bacteria ample once a month.

 

A. As seen in the video above, the Dokdo Tank was capable of breeding 200 clown fish for 2 years showing the efficiency and capacity of its filtration system, however, as fish get bigger, Darwin's theory of the survival of the fittest takes place and the smaller/weaker fish will inevitably start to be out competed by larger fish as is true in nature. Therefore, the recommended capacity of fish for is 10 for them to strive and survive for a long healthy life.

Not here to promote?

 

"Hey guys I'm Jun Sang. I made this "smart" tank design as a long time hobbyist and am trying to get it into production."

[Addinali]

 

 

Great tank setup you have made if I can find the funds I might order one. I will use the tank as a qt and use the light on my existing tank if I like it enough.

How long will the early bird price be there for?

[HarryPotter]

It's pretty cool, I'll give you that. If the skimmer and filteration is very efficient, that's awesome.

 

I just think some people here resent that is being presented as a no water change system. We all know that is impossible, especially if you have corals that need trace elements from the water changes.

 

I for one am interested in the entire controller package, once it gets some more reviews I will definitely look into it.

 

Oh and BTW 10 clownfish will kill each other in that sized tank. No way!

 

Just try to cut out some of the false advertising- show pictures of a happy tank w. anenome and two clownfish, a goby, etc. let's just keep it realistic!

[mirtnm]

So you grew out 200 clownfish fry in the tank for two years and no water changes?

 

 

What you just watched is a school of clown fish being raised in the Dokdo Tank over a two-year period, and the water in the aquarium was never changed. We just added water when necessary to the water supply box, added activated carbon once a month and 1 bacteria ample once a month.

 

A. As seen in the video above, the Dokdo Tank was capable of breeding 200 clown fish for 2 years showing the efficiency and capacity of its filtration system, however, as fish get bigger, Darwin's theory of the survival of the fittest takes place and the smaller/weaker fish will inevitably start to be out competed by larger fish as is true in nature. Therefore, the recommended capacity of fish for is 10 for them to strive and survive for a long healthy life.

Not here to promote?

 

"Hey guys I'm Jun Sang. I made this "smart" tank design as a long time hobbyist and am trying to get it into production."

It's a crowdfunding campaign not a retail campaign. I am a hobbyist trying to push my idea to get out towards more people with the help of people like you. I figured explaining in detail about my experiences and such would be an educational and draw to aquariums for non-hobbyists. I am trying to get it into production yes, but I am not here to sell to you, I'm here to ask for you advice.

It's pretty cool, I'll give you that. If the skimmer and filteration is very efficient, that's awesome.

 

I just think some people here resent that is being presented as a no water change system. We all know that is impossible, especially if you have corals that need trace elements from the water changes.

 

I for one am interested in the entire controller package, once it gets some more reviews I will definitely look into it.

 

Oh and BTW 10 clownfish will kill each other in that sized tank. No way!

 

Just try to cut out some of the false advertising- show pictures of a happy tank w. anenome and two clownfish, a goby, etc. let's just keep it realistic!

Thank you! I've been getting a lot of feedback about the same issues and am working on that now, it's just difficult because I have no more means to fix the video and stuff, but as far as the text I am trying to either add more information or take out things that make it seem falsy. I appreciate your advice and hope to be able to do something to get that straight. As for the controller I added a perk so that the reef monster is available as a single unit so hobbyists who are interested dont need to get stuff they already have, I wanted to target non-hobbyists and didn't expect to get hobbyist so interested in the controller lol

 

 

Great tank setup you have made if I can find the funds I might order one. I will use the tank as a qt and use the light on my existing tank if I like it enough.

How long will the early bird price be there for?

Hahaha nice meme. I was worried people thought I would be here just to advertise but I hope that by me listening to their advice and following up on them and their replies will clear that up that I'm just a person too! The early bird prices are set limits so there are 10 each for the each early bird deal but hobbyists keep saying that the reef monster is the only thing they have interest in so i made a perk for that alone too.

[Horerczy]

I like the way this is setup. It's an interesting design.

 

Not too fond of the LEDs used (color choices in particular) but I will concede that they will function just fine for the task at hand and the mix will cover both fresh and saltwater bases.

 

Also kind of sad that it appears the controller is one with the led fixture but I do have to admit that it cuts down on clutter considerably.

 

I do like the auto top off design a lot. Really clever setup.

 

I'm not sure how you mean water changeless system. I do know such systems are in fact possible though through good animal husbandry and proper setup. My freshwater cherry shrimp tank is one such system. But based on what I'm reading you mean it more of a minimum water change system.

[PathOfDeception]

People got a little too quick on the promote part. The guy has a very clever design that I'm sure he's very proud of (I would be) and he is trying to get some opinion on it so he can become as successful as possible. A nano sized tank on a nano site, suitable if you as me.

 

Now I wish something like this existed when I started a few months back it would have made my learning experience a little easier.

I wish you all the luck with your project and I will keep an eye on it. I would consider!

[Marc.The.Shark]

_{I like the idea. My suggestion would be to include a temp & pH probe with the startup package. All the controllers on the market include those 2 with a basic setup, then can add on other probes as necessary. Looks like the price of those 2 probes is pretty reasonable, but if you're advertising as an all in one with a controller, the controller will only work with the light out of the box. Also, is there room in the sump area for all the probes that can be added & also for a heater?Would be a little unsightly to have to put all that stuff in the display section.}

[Halo_003]

I understand the confusion, but I am not trying to market this to hobbyists. From what I hear the hobbyists are only interested in the Reef Monster controller unit so I took that feedback and made it available as a separate unit. As for the no water change marketing, it is purely directed towards non-hobbyists which is why I am including an instructional/comprehensive/aquarium for dummies manual with the tank package.

So you're target market is people entering the hobby who will take this no WC idea to heart... Then when their tank crashes and they read up where do you think blame will be heading? Sorry but that is just unethical to tell people one thing which they accept because they don't know better, while a lot of us do however know that WCs are needed. A WC takes a $5 bucket, a $15 pump and a few feet of tubing and you would really advise your consumers not to do that?

 

Edit: crystal glass: definition? Star fire? Low iron?

[mirtnm]

 

So you're target market is people entering the hobby who will take this no WC idea to heart... Then when their tank crashes and they read up where do you think blame will be heading? Sorry but that is just unethical to tell people one thing which they accept because they don't know better, while a lot of us do however know that WCs are needed. A WC takes a $5 bucket, a $15 pump and a few feet of tubing and you would really advise your consumers not to do that?

 

Edit: crystal glass: definition? Star fire? Low iron?

 

 

By no means am I trying to be unethical which I why I appreciate comments made like yours. Please understand that there is a language and cultural barrier as this is my first time targeting a different country and language, but I am trying to correct any wrongs by the feedback I get from people like you. I added that there will be instructional/comprehensive manual for starters to get them on the right track for a no WC system and figured hobbyists would know what that takes. I cant do anything to change the video as I have no means to do so, but I will do what I can with the text to clarify more on the no water change system. Thank you for your feedback I really would have been blacklisted if I didn't know it would be such a huge issue haha

 

  

 

By no means am I trying to be unethical which I why I appreciate comments made like yours. Please understand that there is a language and cultural barrier as this is my first time targeting a different country and language, but I am trying to correct any wrongs by the feedback I get from people like you. I added that there will be instructional/comprehensive manual for starters to get them on the right track for a no WC system and figured hobbyists would know what that takes. I cant do anything to change the video as I have no means to do so, but I will do what I can with the text to clarify more on the no water change system. Thank you for your feedback I really would have been blacklisted if I didn't know it would be such a huge issue haha

P.S. the crystal glass is low iron all around not just the sides or front. the entire tank is compose of LOW IRON crystal glass all around.

 

[Murphs_Reef]

So for me, if I wanted no hastle, I would have bought a blueray of marine life and just put it on the TV. It's a hobby not just a thing to sit and look at (well it's that actually but anyway) I like to fiddle, test, change etc etc... I don't mind "too much" about the cost of buying, media, powerhead, lighting etc.. And I prefer to buy the indavidual units after researching why I need that item, what's the best in class and so on.

 

I'm sure it's a great product though...

[VW_TDI_02]

So what makes this any different than all the other all in one tanks? Your filtration system is simply a skimmer, activated carbon, and some ceramic media. That's nothing new to the hobby and many people have done this before. Having that in no way results in a system that doesn't require water changes so I don't see how you can make that claim. Hell, by your logic, are you saying that any system with biological filter media, a skimmer, and activated carbon does not need water changes?

 

[Edit]

Oh, and I didn't see any mechanical filtration other than the skimmer. The ceramic media is going to end up clogging relatively quickly since detritus isn't being filtered out by filter floss or any sort of mechanical filtration before reaching the ceramic media.

 

[Edit 2]

Did I see a yellow tang in that video? Pretty sure a yellow tang needs a tank bigger than a 22 gallon...