TheFragger Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 I plan on having a 20 gallon long with an AC 110 with an InTank mod with the Tunze 9002. It will probably just be a mixed reef with a Nem and 2 Clownfish + A Pistol Shrimp And A Goby. Ok back to the question, is it really worth to add a HOB fuge? I know it adds a TON of diversity and adds a place for Pods but does that really justify the price? I was looking at the CPR AquaFuge 2 Small, I was wondering if it is enough for a 20 Long as I stated above. It doesn't come with a light so what fixture would you recommend? ( The CPR fixture is highly overpriced IMO) And are there any DIY solutions? Hang on would be preferred, as most of you know a 20 gallon long is pretty small. Thanks for reading!!!!! Link to comment
Go Tigers! Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Have you thought about a small in tank fuge ? There small and cheap some have pumps some don't throw some cheato in there and let it roll . Link to comment
spazizz Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 You are better off doing a sump. Ive done HOB fuge many times and wished i had sump every time. Myabe you can just grow some macro algae in your display. Id say the CPRs are worth it because they do what they are made to do. But they are not worth it because they are a pain and a eye sore. Not as practical. They get the job done. Link to comment
Subsea Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Why does a HOB refugium have to be photosyntic? Fill your AC 110 with rock rubble. It will grow abundant pods. The rock rubble is the most efficient nitrification and denitrification media that I tested for three months. Simple remove everything but the sponge. Patrick Link to comment
SantaMonica Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 True it does not have to have macro. Could be completely blacked out. Link to comment
el_ote Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 I picked up the ebay version of the large aquafuge. I use it for pods for my Mandy. as soon as I started getting chaeto growth, it really helped with nuisance algae in the tank! I built a light outta lowes 4gang electrical box and a lamp socket. it is not the prettiest but I love it. edit: spelling Link to comment
frankdontsurf Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 I run my marinland 350 with just the bio wheels and filled with rubble. There's an ac70 in the classifieds for $20 I think. Macros kinda suxk unless they are dumped with space to grow. Link to comment
swduncan Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 True it does not have to have macro. Could be completely blacked out. So what would be the difference between a blacked out HOB and a canister filter? Just curious, as the canisters often seemed to be thought of as causing problems. Link to comment
drfu Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 So what would be the difference between a blacked out HOB and a canister filter? Just curious, as the canisters often seemed to be thought of as causing problems. On my 15 gallon column i run a fluval 106 w/ ff, cpe & purigen, zero issues if you clean it once a week when doing weekly wc. I am planning using rubble rock and placing it on the side where the sponge holders were as i use the stock baskets to hold the media. I also had an extra ac20 which i bought the InTank media basket & 10w submersible light for to grow chaeto, have a $7 walmart timer doing reverse lighting cycle, algae grows great! Link to comment
ETucc Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 drfu, what kind of Filter Floss do you use? I'm wondering why your sump is so visibly dirty so often. Link to comment
drfu Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 I buy a bag of quilt batting from Walmart for $10, its 110"*110" . Its cheap and catches everything, on the inflow side of it its gets a bit green and i don't want it to create any phosphorus/nitrate issues so i just replace it Link to comment
Tamberav Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Shouldn't seachem matrix be better than rock rubble? Provided it is cleaned regularly. It is only $10-$15 a bottle. Link to comment
drfu Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 I would think anything natural would be better imo but i could be wrong Link to comment
Subsea Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 I would think anything natural would be better imo but i could be wrong Sustainable use of resources are models of balanced natural systems. Instead of a product change to export nutrients from a reef tank, the use of multiple nutrient pathways such as in live rock, live sand and all photosynthetic organisms such as corals and macros. Nutrient recycling is the model of these related Eco systems of biology and chemistry that support estuaries and reefs around the world, as well as in our captive reef tanks. Amphipods are the perfect control parameter to consume excess food and nutrients added to grow our reef pretties. Considering their position in the food chain, not only do they provide fish with a high protein live diet but amphipods larvae provide a high protein diet to hungry filter feeders including corals. Laissez a bonne temps roulee, Patrick Link to comment
Tamberav Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 I would think anything natural would be better imo but i could be wrong Well my thought is it is a lot more porous so more bacteria could live on it. Link to comment
drfu Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Well my thought is it is a lot more porous so more bacteria could live on it. Because I'm pretty new on the salty side someone else should answer that but from what i have read its your live sand & rock that does all of that. Adding more rock would just help with more filtration. I know with my fw set ups media is the most important for the biological filter but i don't think this is the case with salt? Link to comment
jedimasterben Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Because I'm pretty new on the salty side someone else should answer that but from what i have read its your live sand & rock that does all of that. Adding more rock would just help with more filtration. I know with my fw set ups media is the most important for the biological filter but i don't think this is the case with salt? Freshwater setups behave identically to saltwater ones. Bacterial films will grow on any and all surfaces. I've run several freshwater tanks (both planted and not) using zero biomedia, some with rather large bioloads, with zero issues. The sand will contain all the bacteria that the system needs to function properly. In saltwater, there are more denitrifying bacteria that live under nitrifying ones (and usually deeper in pores such as in rock, etc), but most tanks do not have enough denitrification to keep up with nutrient import anyway. Link to comment
TJ_Burton Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 http://www.bigalspets.com/hang-on-holding-breeding-box-large.html Cheap hang on fuge There is a write up in the reviews on the site that shows how to turn it into an economy hang on fuge. Link to comment
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