Undertheradar Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 Well, here it is. I needed a quick & dirty phosban reactor. So I drilled the cap on a small Gatorade bottle. A 5/8" hole allows me to run a piece of CPVC inside, with fittings on wither side to sandwich the lid and keep the pipe in place. The rubbery inside of the cap seals it rather nicely...not that it matters. I am using a valve on the inlet of this one but its not needed if you have some other way of regulating the flow....or dont need to. Then I drilled 8 3/32" holes around the top of the cap around the central hole...this is where the water exits. So, you feed the reactor (small pump, powerhead, or in my case, a small 'T' off of the return pump in the sump. Now, when the water enters, it goes straight to the bottom of the bottle thanks to a CPVC stantpipe that goes all the way to the bottom. There, the bottom mold of the bottle does a great job distributing the water to the entire outer ring of the bottle at the bottom with its channels. Then, the water flows upward and out the small holes in the top. The small holes work better than a sponge for trapping carbon that wants to float out because large bits clog it up and trap smaller bits...but it hardly blocks any flow at all. The water just overflows back into the sump. Quicker to open, easier to clean, $1 for the Gatorade, $.50 in actual fittings ($2 more for a valve), and a kick butt reactor is born! Need a larger reactor? Well, luckily Gatorade comes in larger bottles as well. And the bottom fluting really does an excellent job of distributing the flow outward...fluidizing the whole bottle. No akward distribution plates or sponges to monkey with. It makes pre-wrinsing the media easy as well as you can imagine. Link to comment
CrazyAggie05 Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 hey thats pretty neat, i suppose you could use anything in there, like purigen and stuff too, could come in handy! Link to comment
Undertheradar Posted January 30, 2006 Author Share Posted January 30, 2006 Yep, anything you want...I am using phosguard and carbon myself. Link to comment
scatcat Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 If only this stuff didn't confuse me so bad. Pretty cool. Scat Link to comment
Spiffyguy Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 So you are using a sponge or poly filter up by the exit holes? Also is phosguard ;arger in size than phosban? I made something similar but larger and it didn't work too well. Media didn't seem to move. I would be worried the phosban would grind up if there was too much movement. Link to comment
Undertheradar Posted January 30, 2006 Author Share Posted January 30, 2006 no sponges or distribution plates. The small holes at the top trap some larger bits of carbon that float up for me...but they dont clog because of the carbon's shape, and the pressure isnt that high. Phosguard is larger than phosban, it doesnt float at all. The carbon does however...but the holes are too small to even let phosban pass. The lid is the filter...if you want to think of it like that. The internal movement is very nice. The grooves in the bottom of the bottle, along with the downpipe going straigt down to these, forces water outward at the bottom. The movement is easily distributed. I was pleasantly surprised when I started it up how well distributed the water was. And if its too much motion...well...thats what the valve is for after all. Try it. Tell me what you think. Link to comment
KrackerG Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 wow, nice work! are you gonna start sellin' them?? LOL! SOLD! Link to comment
Undertheradar Posted January 31, 2006 Author Share Posted January 31, 2006 LOL, sell them...for what? $15!!! Nah, I cant drink that much Gatorade. Link to comment
Pili Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 Awsome idea!! The only problem is that plastic bottles like that are designed to decay over time but the process is spead up when you use it with water (like when you reuse one for drinking water) and it will leach toxins. Cool idea though if you need a temporary solution. Link to comment
Undertheradar Posted January 31, 2006 Author Share Posted January 31, 2006 Plastic bottles like this are recycle code 1, which is PET plastic...and not biodegradable, but intended for recycling instead. So it should be no problem. Link to comment
RayWhisperer Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 Actually, I think he's right. I remember something on the news about reusing plasic bottles for your drinking water. Seems it does leach something into the water, I could be wrong though. Link to comment
nanojake Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 Can you post a pic of the whole setup? I've never seen/used any kind of a reactor before. It would help some of us noobs out. Link to comment
Simms142 Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 I think if it does leach anything the carbon would pull it out anyways lol. I wouldnt be too concerned about it though. The liquid is good in those bottles for years in terms of expiration dates so if you are concerned, just replace it as the expiration dates come up Link to comment
Smada77 Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Actually, I think he's right. I remember something on the news about reusing plasic bottles for your drinking water. Seems it does leach something into the water, I could be wrong though. Thats what the Calistoga and Crystal Geyser and Aquafina WANT yout to believe!!!!!! Actually, I have no idea. I use a Nalgene & a Britta for my drinking water. Link to comment
Llamaguy Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 I made mine out of a 16.9oz water bottle, so my reactor was virtually FREE, still need to get a new impellor housing for my mj1200 then it should work much better than the >200gph pump I have now. Link to comment
daveat Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 as posted by woodstock on reefsanctuary.com Use #1 or #2 for long term water storage... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- #1 PETE Descriptions Polyethylene Terephthalate (PET, PETE). PET is clear, tough, and has good gas and moisture barrier properties. Commonly used in soft drink bottles and many injection molded consumer product containers. Other applications include strapping and both food and non-food containers. Cleaned, recycled PET flakes and pellets are in great demand for spinning fiber for carpet yarns, producing fiberfill and geo-textiles. Nickname: Polyester. Properties Clarity, strength, toughness, barrier to gas and moisture, resistance to heat Packaging applications Plastic soft drink, water, sports drink, beer, mouthwash, catsup and salad dressing bottles. Peanut butter, pickle, jelly and jam jars. Ovenable film and ovenable prepared food trays. Quote: #2 HDPE Descriptions High Density Polyethylene (HDPE). HDPE is used to make bottles for milk, juice, water and laundry products. Unpigmented bottles are translucent, have good barrier properties and stiffness, and are well suited to packaging products with a short shelf life such as milk. Because HDPE has good chemical resistance, it is used for packaging many household and industrial chemicals such as detergents and bleach. Pigmented HDPE bottles have better stress crack resistance than unpigmented HDPE bottles. Properties Stiffness, strength, toughness, resistance to chemicals and moisture, permeability to gas, ease of processing, and ease of forming. Packaging applications Milk, water, juice, cosmetic, shampoo, dish and laundry detergent bottles; yogurt and margarine tubs; cereal box liners; grocery, trash and retail bags. Quote: #3 V Descriptions Vinyl (Polyvinyl Chloride or PVC): In addition to its stable physical properties, PVC has excellent chemical resistance, good weatherability, flow characteristics and stable electrical properties. The diverse slate of vinyl products can be broadly divided into rigid and flexible materials. Bottles and packaging sheet are major rigid markets, but it is also widely used in the construction market for such applications as pipes and fittings, siding, carpet backing and windows. Flexible vinyl is used in wire and cable insulation, film and sheet, floor coverings synthetic leather products, coatings, blood bags, medical tubing and many other applications. Properties Versatility, clarity, ease of blending, strength, toughness, resistance to grease, oil and chemicals. Packaging applications Clear food and non-food packaging, medical tubing, wire and cable insulation, film and sheet, construction products such as pipes, fittings, siding, floor tiles, carpet backing and window frames. Quote: #4 LDPE Descriptions Low Density Polyethylene (LDPE).Used predominately in film applications due to its toughness, flexibility and relative transparency, making it popular for use in applications where heat sealing is necessary. LDPE is also used to manufacture some flexible lids and bottles and it is used in wire and cable applications. Properties Ease of processing, strength, toughness, flexibility, ease of sealing, barrier to moisture. Packaging applications Dry cleaning, bread and frozen food bags, squeezable bottles, e.g. honey, mustard. Quote: #5 PP Descriptions Polypropylene (PP). Polypropylene has good chemical resistance, is strong, and has a high melting point making it good for hot-fill liquids. PP is found in flexible and rigid packaging to fibers and large molded parts for automotive and consumer products Properties Strength, toughness, resistance to heat, chemicals, grease and oil, versatile, barrier to moisture. Packaging applications Catsup bottles, yogurt containers and margarine tubs, medicine bottles Quote: #6 PS Descriptions Polystyrene (PS). Polystyrene is a versatile plastic that can be rigid or foamed. General purpose polystyrene is clear, hard and brittle. It has a relatively low melting point. Typical applications include protective packaging, containers, lids, cups, bottles and trays. Properties Versatility, insulation, clarity, easily formed Packaging applications Compact disc jackets, food service applications, grocery store meat trays, egg cartons, aspirin bottles, cups, plates, cutlery. Quote: #7 OTHER Descriptions Other. Use of this code indicates that the package in question is made with a resin other than the six listed above, or is made of more than one resin listed above, and used in a multi-layer combination. Properties Dependent on resin or combination of resins Packaging applications Three and five gallon reusable water bottles, some citrus juice and catsup bottles. Link to comment
danskim Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 So the verdict is that it's safe? Link to comment
neanderthalman Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 I wouldn't have a problem using it....it's probably safer than using PVC for plumbing. Link to comment
doody Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 So, what size pump are you useing, and what size tank is this good up to? Link to comment
Undertheradar Posted February 25, 2006 Author Share Posted February 25, 2006 I am using it on a 40B, but it holds just as much as a normal phosban reactor. I have a friend with a 100g+ system that is using it as well...but with the next size larger bottle. Mine is spliced off of the main flow pump's flow...and prolly only gets about 50-80gph...but thats all you need really. Link to comment
doody Posted February 25, 2006 Share Posted February 25, 2006 cool, I just happen to have a mini jet PH around here and cpvc. So all I need is the Gaitoraid and some medea. Link to comment
Samc Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Another "mod" to put on my list. Needed to order some carbon anyway. UTR, can you post a pic of your "T"? I hear you speak of it a lot (feed line for protien skimmer etc.) and I run a sump so can do something similar... Link to comment
mike88camaro Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 I am using it on a 40B, but it holds just as much as a normal phosban reactor. I have a friend with a 100g+ system that is using it as well...but with the next size larger bottle. Mine is spliced off of the main flow pump's flow...and prolly only gets about 50-80gph...but thats all you need really. Hey UTR, so the media is flying around as the water enter through the pump? Link to comment
Undertheradar Posted March 23, 2006 Author Share Posted March 23, 2006 that depends on how I set it. If I open up the valve that feeds the bottle, sure, my media fluidizes. I keep it just so that I can see the media turning over and barely fluidized. Link to comment
mike88camaro Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 Nice... my media is turning. So how long should I run it before I can see result that its working? BTW UTR, you are off da hook with the DIY projects. Link to comment
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