so mad.

[angelocarusone]

Today I went to a Petland discount to price an eclipse tank. Anyway, what I saw absolutely horrified me. Here are some of the things that I saw:

 

1) A 10 gallon tank with 10 or 11 yellow tangs and a maroon clown

2) A 10 gallon with 3 green mandarins - no rock, just 3 mandarins, a maroon clown clown and a bunch of damino damsels

3) A 10 gallon tank with a bunch of dead tangs and a blue one

4) A 10 gallon tank with 3 maroon clowns, a damino damsel and a bunch of false percs.

5) Other things that annoyed me.

 

Anyway, the mandarins were going for 30 each. I told the owner that if he gave them to me for 15, I'd take all 3 of them. He laughed at me and explained to me that they are VERY VERY rare fish. I figured I'd drop the 50 bucks and then just give them away. Anyway, we got into a HUGE argument because I told him that it was better for him to have 50 bucks than 0 when they all die soon. We went back and forth and he eventually threw me out. I was with two of my friends who care nothing about the hobby, so they couldn't understand why I was so angry. Thus, I rant here.

 

Thanks for listening (reading).

[bobioden]

So, you taking 3 Mandarin fish, which YOU can't care for, and were going to GIVE away, was going to help them HOW?

 

I don't understand.

 

???

 

Bob

[greatreef16]

They would live longer anywhere other than that petstore

[jenniebutterfly]

yeah petland has a bad track record with salt. they are way overpriced, i remember a flame scallop going for $45 because it was rare lol. needless to say the salt section at the petland closest to me only lasted for about 4 months then they did away with it

[Withers]

We work so hard to bring morals and responsibility to this hobby, but it honestly is pointless. The fish that they don't kill, will be sold to people who will inevitably kill them, it's a vicious cycle that we have no chance of stopping.

 

If we properly care for one fish in our tank, it doesn't change the fact that thousands of that same kind of fish are sentenced to death each day.

[angelocarusone]

thanks for the replies guys....

 

-edited by moderator-

I think it was IMPLIED in my post that the fish would be given away to people who had the ability to properly care for them. Why would I waste 50 bucks to save 3 fish that I couldn't care for? God, I can't stand so many people on this forum have a need to be critical even when there is absolutely NOTHING to be critical about.

[p.o.t.u.s]

Rare mandarin...LOL

 

I love em' too but man, they are a dime a dozen in any LFS. What was this guy trying to pull!

 

Good luck with the little guys.

[p.o.t.u.s]

BTW, I think males tend to be REALLY agressive with each other...I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere. You might want to check that out if you've got two males and plan to keep them in the same tank.

[apophis924]

Originally posted by p.o.t.u.s

BTW, I think males tend to be REALLY agressive with each other...I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere.  You might want to check that out if you've got two males and plan to keep them in the same tank.

 

You are talking about mandarins right?

[bobioden]

Originally posted by angelocarusone

I figured I'd drop the 50 bucks and then just give them away.

 

Originally posted by angelocarusone

I think it was IMPLIED in my post that the fish would be given away to people who had the ability to properly care for them.

 

Sorry, for the confusion. I guess I missed where you IMPLIED they would be given to people who would properly care for them.The purchase of a Mandarin should be a long thought out process. Not an impulse buy. Newbies see a Mandarins wonderful colors, small size, and usually have no info on them when they buy them. And, are not told how hard they are to keep.

 

The problem with the PET places. PETSmart, PETland, PETCo, etc.. is they do their next order on what they sell. So, if you were to buy those 3, they would think they are good sellers and order 6 the next time.

 

Almost daily on here there is a thread of someone wanting to know if a Mandarin will be OK in a 10gal. And I bet 90% of them ALREADY have the fish in their tank, and are just looking to justify the impulse buy. Hardly anyone will admit to owning a Mandarin, because of the Flames they will get. But they are in alot of tanks.

 

Sorry, If I offended, that was not my intention.

 

Bob

[angelocarusone]

Okay, I just don't buy the fact that you didn't understand that my intention would be to give them a satisfactory home. Frankly, I think your problem, much like far too many other people's problem on this forum is that you are self-righteous and would rather spend more time chastising others from your soapbox than actually saying anything positive.

 

I started coming to this forum about a year ago, and registered after a few months thereafter. I am a daily reader of the site and I have noticed a significant increase in animosity over the last year, specifically between experienced members and non-experienced members. There mere fact that I was groundlessly criticized seriously irks me. I could go on to further disagree with Bob and point out not only the logical problems with his post, but philosophical ones as well; however, I have suggestions.

 

I agree that far too many people post questions about topics that have already been answered numerous times. Perhaps it's time to institute a FAQ. There are numerous repeats, why not compile that information in a simple resource. Not only will it be more comprehensive than a search, which often produces a cumbersome list of results, but also it will be quality checked to ensure accuracy. While, I agree that a forum is a wonderful way to learn, I don't think that it is entirely fair to attack people when they ask repeated questions. Forum's are dynamic and as such even the answers to a post from 1 month ago could have changed - new people could have joined, or maybe an experienced person just didn't post his response to that thread and might chime in on the newest one. There are lots of variables.

[bobioden]

Originally posted by angelocarusone

Frankly, I think your problem, much like far too many other people's problem on this forum is that you are self-righteous and would rather spend more time chastising others from your soapbox than actually saying anything positive.

 

First off, I said I was SORRY for any confusion on how I read your post. I also said I was SORRY if you felt offended, as that was not my intention.

 

Furturmore, I don't have a PROBLEM. Check out my posts. 99.99999% are positive, helpful and never once have I chastised anyone.

 

???

 

 

Bob

[Divided Sky]

The point is that by buying those 3 you only sentence 3 more to death, plus however many die in shipping, and the possible cyanide collection used to get them. It will only stop if we as consumers stop buying them. Supply and demand; no demand, no supply. ummmm, hope this didnt offend anyone here. this place is so PC.

[BKtomodachi]

Also just a note here... male mandarins are agressive towards each other quite often.

[aleiodubua]

WOW! This is a really ####y thread. Everyone needs to chill down, and take a day or two, LOL.

[EnFuego]

"I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!"-Brick

 

sorry, just thought I would try to lighten up the mood with a fitting quote from Anchorman.

[fishy610]

*brings cookies, milk and deep-fried mandarin fish*

 

anyone?

[Blind Tree Frog]

Originally posted by bobioden

Almost daily on here there is a thread of someone wanting to know if a Mandarin will be OK in a 10gal. And I bet 90% of them ALREADY have the fish in their tank, and are just looking to justify the impulse buy. Hardly anyone will admit to owning a Mandarin, because of the Flames they will get. But they are in alot of tanks.

??? Daily?

[angelocarusone]

Clearly, he was using hyperbole. But, I think everyone ignored the main points of my post. I'll summarize:

 

1) Create a FAQ

2) Repeated threads are totally acceptable because forums are dynamic

[Blind Tree Frog]

Originally posted by angelocarusone

Clearly, he was using hyperbole.  But, I think everyone ignored the main points of my post.

Clearly, but the problem is attitudes like that can lead to people not getting helped.

 

I believe I started the last mandarin in a 10 thread, some posts were fine, others were from people like this who's response was far less then usefull. Even telling the poster to search, while an acceptable answer, is fairly useless due to how much one has to wade through to find the answer. Sometimes a short answer is all that is needed. For example, in my thread, a simple "nope" would of made me happy. Even going so far to say something like "The limiting factor is pod production and a 10 can't supply enough pods" would of been sufficient. A thesis isn't always needed and if it is, further discussion can get to that point.

 

 

People getting frustrated because every doesn't know as much as them simply scares off new people and irritates the old guard. Neither of which allows for the long term health of a community.

[angelocarusone]

Agreed. Well said Blind Tree Frog

[fishfanv]

not that i agree with the fish maintenance of places like petco, etc. but, isn't it true that many of the fish in these small tanks are sold quickly, so it's not as if they're keeping them in such crowded, incompatible conditions for long? or do the fish at places like that sit in those tanks for quite awhile?

[angelocarusone]

uhmmm....

 

You know, I think that's a very fair assumption. However, this particular petco was in a ghetto. I sincerely doubt that anyone that uses the store could afford to a reef tank.

[fishfanv]

Originally posted by angelocarusone

uhmmm....

 

You know, I think that's a very fair assumption.  However, this particular petco was in a ghetto.  I sincerely doubt that anyone that uses the store could afford to a reef tank.

have you been back to see if their tanks still look the same? or were you permanently banned for daring to say something to them about their crappy fish maintenance?

[cjl]

Think of that sales gimmic, brutalizing fish until the consumer feels sorry for the animal to the point of buying; thats genius!!!