DevilDuck Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Then it's definitely dinoflagellates. Dose some phosphate until your reading above 0ppm, test it every other day or so to make sure it stays there. Then skim thought the thread @W1ll posted and weight your options. Since your tank is a small nano look into a "rip clean". 3 Quote Link to comment
W1ll Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 May I also add that a small submersible UV light was incredibly helpful in my case. While definitely not ideal to run long term, they are a great and inexpensive UV option for nano aquariums. Mine has assisted me in getting the upper hand over dinos on 2 separate occasions. https://www.ebay.com/itm/403244405858?hash=item5de33d5462:g:F6EAAOSwkAphcJDN 1 Quote Link to comment
Jakesaw Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, W1ll said: May I also add that a small submersible UV light was incredibly helpful in my case. While definitely not ideal to run long term, they are a great and inexpensive UV option for nano aquariums. Mine has assisted me in getting the upper hand over dinos on 2 separate occasions. https://www.ebay.com/itm/403244405858?hash=item5de33d5462:g:F6EAAOSwkAphcJDN How does that thing work?? Most of the UV sterilizers I've seen are piped in-line with water circulation Quote Link to comment
W1ll Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 On 1/29/2022 at 12:02 PM, Jakesaw said: How does that thing work?? Most of the UV sterilizers I've seen are piped in-line with water circulation The whole light is submersible, it just slots into a back chamber and sits there much like a glass heater. Quote Link to comment
1st reef Posted January 31, 2022 Author Share Posted January 31, 2022 I'm about to give up on this tank. Scraped a bunch of algae from the glass did a water change siphoning the rocks as I was blowing water on them with a turkey baster. As I was filling the tank up, it turned very cloudy with particles wich I was picking up with a net. Seems like it's getting worse. I may add another fish to increase bioload. 1 Quote Link to comment
Jakesaw Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 6 minutes ago, 1st reef said: I'm about to give up on this tank. Scraped a bunch of algae from the glass did a water change siphoning the rocks as I was blowing water on them with a turkey baster. As I was filling the tank up, it turned very cloudy with particles wich I was picking up with a net. Seems like it's getting worse. I may add another fish to increase bioload. I'm 13 months into hobby - started with Marco Rocks & painted live rock. I've been there. For months in a row. Considered starting over / leaving hobby just because of it many times. Mine was a different type of DINO - and I ultimatelly resolved it by getting Nitrates / Phos up. Snails / CUC eat Algae - DINO is a different animal altogether that seems unfixable til you resolve it. You need to balance Nitraes & Phosphates. I'm still dosing about 4 ml Neophos Per week on Saturday with water changes. Nitrates I get from frozen food. Rought 2-5 Nitrates to .03 Phos is a good target. You'd want Phos at least visibly measurable on your test kits to beat back the DINOs. Have you tried dosing Phosphate yet. Once I got my nitrates to 5 Dosing Phos was the thing that put DINO's in rear view mirror. I've still got algae on my tank walls, but it recedes every week as Snails mow it down. My rocks / coral are in good shape - and a manageable healthy algae growth on walls. Currently have 6 snails recently added ( 3 astrea -1 spiny turbo - and 2 trochus. ) and 3 hermits as CUC. I could probably use another 1=3 snails - but I'm not feeling rushed to add them Hang in there if the DINO is the only thing ruining the hobby. It is resolveable - though not as simple as a water change. 2 Quote Link to comment
Jakesaw Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 On 1/13/2022 at 8:42 PM, 1st reef said: I was told on this site to only change water if nitrates are to high or if alk is too low. As for filtration, was told also that live rock and filter floss is all I need. Water is not murky at all. It's been running for 4 months. Are you measuring Nitrate / Phos / Alk. I don't see it in the topic - though may have missed it. Personally I was not measuring anything for a long time which is what got me into the DINO mess in the first place. Also, I see you only have 1 fish in there. I had 1 clown in my 10 gallon for most of first year and couldn't get Nitrates up off zero until I added a second fish. The Clown didn't take to the new fish initially until I re-arranged the rock to break up the Territory Mr clown had claimed his own. 1 Quote Link to comment
DevilDuck Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Have you read the reef2reef thread or my own thread and summary on dealing with dino’s? First you have to fix your phosphate issue by testing and dosing it so it is above 0 ppm, target at least 1ppm and keep it there. Adding another fish isn’t necessarily going to fix your issue. The dino bloom won’t resolve itself in a day or even a week. It will take some time in my case it took about 2 months. Stick with it we are here to help. This will pass. 2 Quote Link to comment
1st reef Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 15 hours ago, Jakesaw said: Are you measuring Nitrate / Phos / Alk. I don't see it in the topic - though may have missed it. Personally I was not measuring anything for a long time which is what got me into the DINO mess in the first place. Also, I see you only have 1 fish in there. I had 1 clown in my 10 gallon for most of first year and couldn't get Nitrates up off zero until I added a second fish. The Clown didn't take to the new fish initially until I re-arranged the rock to break up the Territory Mr clown had claimed his own. 1 clown 1 ywg and pistol shrimp. Quote Link to comment
1st reef Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 22 hours ago, Jakesaw said: I'm 13 months into hobby - started with Marco Rocks & painted live rock. I've been there. For months in a row. Considered starting over / leaving hobby just because of it many times. Mine was a different type of DINO - and I ultimatelly resolved it by getting Nitrates / Phos up. Snails / CUC eat Algae - DINO is a different animal altogether that seems unfixable til you resolve it. You need to balance Nitraes & Phosphates. I'm still dosing about 4 ml Neophos Per week on Saturday with water changes. Nitrates I get from frozen food. Rought 2-5 Nitrates to .03 Phos is a good target. You'd want Phos at least visibly measurable on your test kits to beat back the DINOs. Have you tried dosing Phosphate yet. Once I got my nitrates to 5 Dosing Phos was the thing that put DINO's in rear view mirror. I've still got algae on my tank walls, but it recedes every week as Snails mow it down. My rocks / coral are in good shape - and a manageable healthy algae growth on walls. Currently have 6 snails recently added ( 3 astrea -1 spiny turbo - and 2 trochus. ) and 3 hermits as CUC. I could probably use another 1=3 snails - but I'm not feeling rushed to add them Hang in there if the DINO is the only thing ruining the hobby. It is resolveable - though not as simple as a water change. Haven't tried neophos since I can't find a small bottle. Don't need the big one. Was thinking of adding another fish since it's the cheapest way to increase nitrates and then phosphates. I'm assuming here. If anyone knows where I can get a small bottle of neophos let me know 1 Quote Link to comment
Jakesaw Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 40 minutes ago, 1st reef said: Haven't tried neophos since I can't find a small bottle. Don't need the big one. Was thinking of adding another fish since it's the cheapest way to increase nitrates and then phosphates. additional fish will increase Nitrates if that was an issue - not phosphates I'm dosing Neo-Phos on my 10 gallon - and got a 250ml bottle. Cost me 7 bucks @ LRS. Prices have gone up on everything since though. I still dose weekly to keep levels positive and have used maybe 15 percent of the bottle. in 6 - 8 week period. At current dosing should last me at least through the first half of year maybe full year. Maybe rock will absorb enough Phos that I won't need to dose in time - who knows. 1 Quote Link to comment
1st reef Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 Thanks. Will try and find one. 1 Quote Link to comment
1st reef Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 Will nitrates drop after dosing with neophos? 1 Quote Link to comment
Jakesaw Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, 1st reef said: Will nitrates drop after dosing with neophos? That hasn't been my experience. I'm still new to reefing hobby though - still have a lot to learn. Quote Link to comment
1st reef Posted February 2, 2022 Author Share Posted February 2, 2022 Will carbon help by removing Dino toxins? 1 Quote Link to comment
W1ll Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 4 hours ago, 1st reef said: Will carbon help by removing Dino toxins? Absolutely, run a about a tablespoon of carbon and change weekly. 1 Quote Link to comment
W1ll Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 8 hours ago, 1st reef said: Will nitrates drop after dosing with neophos? In the immediate days after dosing NeoNitro, yes, your nitrate will likely drop again, this goes for phosphate as well. You need to dose small amounts regularly to keep the levels stable until your tank balances out again. 1 Quote Link to comment
1st reef Posted February 2, 2022 Author Share Posted February 2, 2022 I can't get anyone to ship me a bottle of neophos cause it's winter and the bottle might freeze if shipped regular mail. Overnight shipping is 40$ for a 10 dollar bottle lol. Unless there's another way. If not, I'll just add another fish to increase bioload and hopefully get some phosphates and nitrates over 3ppm Quote Link to comment
Jakesaw Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 11 minutes ago, 1st reef said: I can't get anyone to ship me a bottle of neophos cause it's winter and the bottle might freeze if shipped regular mail. If you are in the states, you can use BRS for 6.49. I'm not aware of Neo Phos being freezing sensitive - perhaps it is. Maybe you can give BRS a call if you are interested in putting in an order. They would let you know if weather would be a problem. Quote Link to comment
1st reef Posted February 2, 2022 Author Share Posted February 2, 2022 I'm in Canada. Any other options? Quote Link to comment
W1ll Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 7 hours ago, 1st reef said: I'm in Canada. Any other options? Seachem Flourish Phosphate a product designed for freshwater planted tanks however fundamentally it exactly the same as Neophos (sodium phosphate). Myself and others on here have used it with great success, and IME its is a lot more widespread and easier to find than any of brightwells products. 3 Quote Link to comment
1st reef Posted February 3, 2022 Author Share Posted February 3, 2022 You mean flourish phosphorus? 2 Quote Link to comment
W1ll Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 3 hours ago, 1st reef said: You mean flourish phosphorus? Yes sorry that's the one Quote Link to comment
1st reef Posted February 3, 2022 Author Share Posted February 3, 2022 Ok.... Will go buy. Any dosing tips will be appreciated. Thanks. Quote Link to comment
1st reef Posted February 3, 2022 Author Share Posted February 3, 2022 The mush was so much bigger and colorful. Any chance I can save it? Quote Link to comment
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