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On 10/10/2020 at 4:59 PM, Clown79 said:

Algae outbreaks are normal in a new tank. Even mature tanks have algae. A sterile tank doesn't mean its a healthy environment. Algae is completely normal

I fully agree, but I am being overrun with algae. I would like algae to grow, but not be out of control everywhere in the tank.

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j.falk
On 10/9/2020 at 11:42 AM, Llorgon said:

Got a couple more pictures of the mystery nudibranch thing. There are a bunch in the tank.

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I've had these in my tank before.  They came in on a piece of live rock.  Once I took the rock out of the tank, they disappeared never to be seen again.

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Clown79
58 minutes ago, Llorgon said:

I fully agree, but I am being overrun with algae. I would like algae to grow, but not be out of control everywhere in the tank.

Without seeing a picture we won't know exactly how bad the outbreak is 

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j.falk
On 10/1/2020 at 1:17 PM, Llorgon said:

Turkey baste the rocks every so often, but not on a regular basis.

 

Was cleaning the sand weekly, but it was suggested in another forum to just leave it be.

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@Clown79 - Look at all that delicious hair algae.  🙂

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5 hours ago, j.falk said:

@Clown79 - Look at all that delicious hair algae.  🙂

 Thats definitely a lot of gha. Not the worst i've seen but not a small amount.

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Llorgon

I know.... Between the gha and the fading corals. My tank makes me sad lately.

 

If I could find some cuc then I might buy some established live rock and give the tank a bit of a restart.

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j.falk
11 hours ago, Llorgon said:

If I could find some cuc then I might buy some established live rock and give the tank a bit of a restart.

To me, it looks like you started with dry rock and the green hair algae came in and took it over.  

 

Some ideas:

 

- A good clean up crew that is focused on hair algae eaters would help.

 

- Manual removal by pulling tufts off it off the rock would really help get it mowed down quickly (the longer the algae is, the easier it is to pull big chunks of it off).

 

- Taking out some of the rock one at a time and bleaching it back to new would be a good way to restart...and then...

 

- Adding in some good quality established rock on top of the the newly bleached pieces so the coralline can grow over onto it would help prevent this from happening again.

 

- Check your lighting...how long are you running it?  Something is definitely fueling that hair algae for it to get that long...when I had gha issues with a previous tank, I was running my lights on AB+ spectrum for 14 hours a day.  I turned my lighting down and only run it for 10 hours a day now and no more gha issues.

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5 hours ago, j.falk said:

To me, it looks like you started with dry rock and the green hair algae came in and took it over.  

 

Some ideas:

 

- A good clean up crew that is focused on hair algae eaters would help.

 

- Manual removal by pulling tufts off it off the rock would really help get it mowed down quickly (the longer the algae is, the easier it is to pull big chunks of it off).

 

- Taking out some of the rock one at a time and bleaching it back to new would be a good way to restart...and then...

 

- Adding in some good quality established rock on top of the the newly bleached pieces so the coralline can grow over onto it would help prevent this from happening again.

 

- Check your lighting...how long are you running it?  Something is definitely fueling that hair algae for it to get that long...when I had gha issues with a previous tank, I was running my lights on AB+ spectrum for 14 hours a day.  I turned my lighting down and only run it for 10 hours a day now and no more gha issues.

Ya that is pretty much exactly what has happened. Started with dry rock and gha took hold before anything else.

 

I called every lfs in town last night. Managed to get 4 turbo snails. So cuc is currently a couple hermits, 5 turbos and 5 nassarius.

Been manually removing as much as I can. Some times it seems like it's making progress and other times it doesn't.

I have actually been considering changing rocks. It's a small tank and I don't have any corals glued to rocks except kenya tree so would be pretty easy.

 

For lights, Radion XR30, 30% intensity, LPS spectrum, lights come on at 9am and ramp up until 10am and start ramping down at 8pm and off by 9pm. I do have a par meter if you want par readings.

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j.falk

Where do you live at?  If you are in the U.S...the best place to buy CUC critters is: reefcleaners.org

 

If you can kill off the green hair algae and seed the rock with something that has a lot of coralline on it, you'll be well on your way to turning things around.  But the key will be actually killing off the gha...not just trimming it back.  You need to completely eradicate it or it will just keep coming back over and over again.

 

As a side note, I feel sorry for your yellow tang...he deserves a bigger tank.  That one just looks too small for him.  ☹️

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Live rock with a bunch of goodies on it will definitely help. I am a firm believer in diversity. I seeded my dry rock with KP Aquatics live rock. I did a high salinity dip to remove crabs and other hitch hikers. Then picked through what I wanted to keep. Im still seeing new life like feather dusters and worms come out after many months. 
 

I also had very good luck in the past with vibrant to help knock out hair algae. It cleared my rocks within the first week. And I suspect I had bryopsis on a frag which is also gone. I personally have not had any negative effects. Once the algae was dead, I installed an algae scrubber and now its growing in there instead of my display.  
 

There are so many ways to get good results in this hobby. Stick to it, be consistent, and don’t change too much at once. Eventually you will get on a routine that works for your tank. Every system is different!

 

Cant comment on those nudis. But I would assume just pluck them out with tweezers when you see them. 

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Llorgon
4 hours ago, j.falk said:

Where do you live at?  If you are in the U.S...the best place to buy CUC critters is: reefcleaners.org

 

If you can kill off the green hair algae and seed the rock with something that has a lot of coralline on it, you'll be well on your way to turning things around.  But the key will be actually killing off the gha...not just trimming it back.  You need to completely eradicate it or it will just keep coming back over and over again.

 

As a side note, I feel sorry for your yellow tang...he deserves a bigger tank.  That one just looks too small for him.  ☹️

I'm in Canada. Unfortunately they don't ship here.

 

Ya, killing it has been tricky so far. Any tips on that?

 

I do have a bigger tank, but my stand was broken when we moved. Almost finished it then it's moved to a larger tank. This entire tank was only supposed to be for a month or two while my larger tank was setup again. Then with the stand breaking and covid everything kinda took longer than expected.

3 hours ago, Elizabeth94 said:

Live rock with a bunch of goodies on it will definitely help. I am a firm believer in diversity. I seeded my dry rock with KP Aquatics live rock. I did a high salinity dip to remove crabs and other hitch hikers. Then picked through what I wanted to keep. Im still seeing new life like feather dusters and worms come out after many months. 
 

I also had very good luck in the past with vibrant to help knock out hair algae. It cleared my rocks within the first week. And I suspect I had bryopsis on a frag which is also gone. I personally have not had any negative effects. Once the algae was dead, I installed an algae scrubber and now its growing in there instead of my display.  
 

There are so many ways to get good results in this hobby. Stick to it, be consistent, and don’t change too much at once. Eventually you will get on a routine that works for your tank. Every system is different!

 

Cant comment on those nudis. But I would assume just pluck them out with tweezers when you see them. 

I have tried Vibrant. Didn't see any change in the algae.

 

It sounds like I should start searching for some good live rock.

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@Clown79 - Any ideas on where to order quality live rock or clean up crew livestock in Canada?

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Clown79
5 minutes ago, j.falk said:

@Clown79 - Any ideas on where to order quality live rock or clean up crew livestock in Canada?

Liverock is pretty hard to get here. Most stores have moved to dry rock now. So buying from other hobbyists is the only way i can think of.

 

Joining ORK on facebook can be helpful. Its all hobbyists and canadian vendors.

 

Clean up crew, these are reputable companies that ship

 

fragbox 

Candy coral

J&l aquatics

Aquarium depot

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Llorgon
50 minutes ago, Clown79 said:

Liverock is pretty hard to get here. Most stores have moved to dry rock now. So buying from other hobbyists is the only way i can think of.

 

Joining ORK on facebook can be helpful. Its all hobbyists and canadian vendors.

 

Clean up crew, these are reputable companies that ship

 

fragbox 

Candy coral

J&l aquatics

Aquarium depot

I'm part of a Okanagan reef keepers group. I put out a post for liverock there.

 

fragbox - In stock

Candy coral - In stock

J&l aquatics - Emailed. I didn't know they were shipping again.

Aquarium depot - Site says some cuc are in stock, but then in the cart it says backorder.

 

Going to wait and see on J&L since they are cheaper and have cheaper shipping in BC. I never looked at aquarium depot or candy corals. Thanks for the suggestions!

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Clown79
23 hours ago, Llorgon said:

I'm part of a Okanagan reef keepers group. I put out a post for liverock there.

 

fragbox - In stock

Candy coral - In stock

J&l aquatics - Emailed. I didn't know they were shipping again.

Aquarium depot - Site says some cuc are in stock, but then in the cart it says backorder.

 

Going to wait and see on J&L since they are cheaper and have cheaper shipping in BC. I never looked at aquarium depot or candy corals. Thanks for the suggestions!

Fragbox and candycorals both ship canada wide and both are highly recommended.

 

Canada corals is in bc.

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ReefAdoRe
On 10/1/2020 at 1:43 PM, Llorgon said:



CUC
3 hermits
1 or 2 cerith
1 or 2 astrea.
I have been trying to get more for months, but with covid places aren't shipping livestock. And the only stores near me are almost always out of stock.


 

Reefcleaners.org 

 

this is where I order cleanup crew from - they have cleaner packages designed for tank size. 
I’ve also done the whole rocks rubbing thing and all it does it gets rid of beneficial bacteria that actually eats algae and keeps your tank stable. 
 

This is a great video:

 

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j.falk
14 hours ago, ReefAdoRe said:

Reefcleaners.org 

 

this is where I order cleanup crew from - they have cleaner packages designed for tank size. 
I’ve also done the whole rocks rubbing thing and all it does it gets rid of beneficial bacteria that actually eats algae and keeps your tank stable. 

Reefcleaners doesn't ship to Canada...

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Llorgon

I should have 5 trochus, 5 astrea and 3 cerith snails coming hopefully next week from J&L!

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j.falk

I think you'll need more than that to get the job done...but that's a good start.

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Llorgon

I'll see how these go. Already spending $100 including shipping for those snails. They should arrive tomorrow.

 

Watched that youtube video about algae you posted @ReefAdoRe interesting that they say high blue light value can lead to algae issues. The LPS setting for the radion has the blues at 100%. Maybe I should switch my light settings to the AB+ and see if that helps.

 

Still trying to find some liverock from a local reefer. Have a few posts out so hopefully something will come up.

 

Hammer coral has had 2 of 3 heads closed up for awhile now. Frogspawn is losing colour and not opening up as much as it used to.

 

Algae is still growing in most places, but it hasn't come back where the snails have been. So I guess a small win?

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Llorgon

Snails have arrived and are in the tank. Hopefully they start making a dent in some of the algae.

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mcarroll
On 10/16/2020 at 11:36 AM, Llorgon said:

I should have 5 trochus, 5 astrea and 3 cerith snails coming

On 10/19/2020 at 12:59 PM, Llorgon said:

Already spending $100 including shipping for those snails.

That's a lot of snails to add all at once to such a small tank.  Hopefully fine given the amount of CUC you have now, but I would not add snails like this (a lot at once) again after this.

 

If you have *anyone* selling livestock close to you, buy from there...and buy 1-2 at a time from this point on. 👍

 

Focus on removing most of that algae by hand.  Work in small patches so you don't feel overwhelmed by not making progress....e.g. just clean one frag post at a time, or one 2"x2" patch on the rocks.  Don't just grab big hunks all over the tank randomly, IMO, or (e.g.) you'll spend an hour, step back to look at your progress, and it might not look like you did anything.  (Been there.  Done that.)

 

I've only seen one good video on algae – do what he says; do it how he does it:

 

(Forget about the anti-phosphate treatment...that's more particular to his tank.  Just talking about the algae removal method and guidance on snails.)

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+2 on just pulling it out by hand. When I do water changes I just take a 1/2 hose and suck the algae out, it seems to come loose pretty easy or I just pluck out the big patches by hand if they’re stuck on the rocks. 
 

I eliminated Dino’s along with GHA by small doses of microbacter 7 and algae barn ocean magik. I NEVER had coralline algae until I introduced these two components. Seems like the coralline out competes the GHA.
 

+2 on Nitrates being too low. I was able to get them up by using two broadcast feeds of reef roids a week in a 20 gallon tank. 

 

Every tank has their own phenomena but algae is a pain in the butt. I attribute most of my algae to LFS bought RO/DI. Switched to Walmart purple cap distilled and that helped a lot until I got my own 4 stage and haven’t had a problem with algae since. 
 

I may have skimmed over but are you using your own RO/DI or water bought from the LFS?

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Llorgon
4 hours ago, mcarroll said:

That's a lot of snails to add all at once to such a small tank.  Hopefully fine given the amount of CUC you have now, but I would not add snails like this (a lot at once) again after this.

 

If you have *anyone* selling livestock close to you, buy from there...and buy 1-2 at a time from this point on. 👍

 

Focus on removing most of that algae by hand.  Work in small patches so you don't feel overwhelmed by not making progress....e.g. just clean one frag post at a time, or one 2"x2" patch on the rocks.  Don't just grab big hunks all over the tank randomly, IMO, or (e.g.) you'll spend an hour, step back to look at your progress, and it might not look like you did anything.  (Been there.  Done that.)

 

I've only seen one good video on algae – do what he says; do it how he does it:

 

(Forget about the anti-phosphate treatment...that's more particular to his tank.  Just talking about the algae removal method and guidance on snails.)

My cuc was almost zero before adding the snails, but agree usually I wouldn't add that much at a time. But I bought what I could when I got a hold of them.

 

I have been removing some by hand every night. Just now it seems like I will be able to make some progress. There are a few patches on the back wall that don't have any new growth after a week. Which is exciting!

 

Interesting video. I have a mixture of really stuck gha and other patches that pull right off.

2 hours ago, I'm Batman said:

+2 on just pulling it out by hand. When I do water changes I just take a 1/2 hose and suck the algae out, it seems to come loose pretty easy or I just pluck out the big patches by hand if they’re stuck on the rocks. 
 

I eliminated Dino’s along with GHA by small doses of microbacter 7 and algae barn ocean magik. I NEVER had coralline algae until I introduced these two components. Seems like the coralline out competes the GHA.
 

+2 on Nitrates being too low. I was able to get them up by using two broadcast feeds of reef roids a week in a 20 gallon tank. 

 

Every tank has their own phenomena but algae is a pain in the butt. I attribute most of my algae to LFS bought RO/DI. Switched to Walmart purple cap distilled and that helped a lot until I got my own 4 stage and haven’t had a problem with algae since. 
 

I may have skimmed over but are you using your own RO/DI or water bought from the LFS?

I do the same thing with the hose during my water changes. I usually scrub with a brush and suck up as I go. Finally seeing some progress.

 

Never tried microbacter 7 and algae barn ocean magik. I will have to look into those. Would be nice to have more coralline algae in the tank.

 

I can dose some nitrogen to get my nitrates up a bit.

 

I have my own RO/DI filter.

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Llorgon

I also think I have found a decent sized piece of liverock from another reefers tank. Hopefully I can pick it up this weekend.

 

Once I have the new rock, I'm going to put the old rock into a 10 gallon and let the gha starve itself out. Or do some experiments and see if I can find a good way of getting rid of it.

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