Smokey Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 So I've had this 10 gallon nano for 4 1/2 months now I've had some up and downs. I've lost 4 fish. 2 clownfish, 1 royal gramma, and 1 black molly, NOT ALL WERE IN THERE AT THE SAME TIME. AFTER THE CLOWFISH and Royal gramma Died, i bought a Black molly because of the fact i had no fish in there and i missed the feeling. 1 day later he has ICH!! Later that night he dies. I acclimated him for 12 hours tirelessly. So my questions are if I CAN REPLACE THE EXISTING SAND WITH NON LIVE SAND WHICH WILL NOT CONTAIN ICH? AND WHY DO MY FISH KEEP ON DYING?? My future for this tank is to have 1 clown fish and im afraid for him to contract ich! Please help me out Quote Link to comment
Privateer Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Well first of all post your water parameters, and tell us how you cycled. The more information you provide will make it easier to diagnose your issues. Quote Link to comment
patback Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Pulling the sand will not get rid of ich. You need to go fallow and hold off on new fish going in. Like said above, some more details are needed. We would also need to get some details on what the fish were like before dying, where they came from, how long you had them, etc. 2 Quote Link to comment
Curtis_Rose Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Agree with the above posters(let’s start at the beginning of your journey) and 12 hour acclimation is an extremely long time for a fish to be acclimated. There are varying opinions on this some don’t do any acclimation except for temp others do a longer one for salinity but never heard of 12 hours. Some very expierienced people on here with for sure help you out 2 Quote Link to comment
Smokey Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share Posted January 19, 2019 I can't tell my specific parameters right now because im at work. But I tested my salinity this morning which was 1.023 Quote Link to comment
Smokey Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share Posted January 19, 2019 But i can tell that my parameters are not terrible cuz i currently have inverts living in there. If anything they are more sensitive from fish Quote Link to comment
Smokey Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share Posted January 19, 2019 31 minutes ago, Privateer said: Well first of all post your water parameters, and tell us how you cycled. The more information you provide will make it easier to diagnose your issues. I cycled using 2 turbo snails which 1 of them is still alive. With Natures Ocean Bio Active Live Aragonite sand. Quote Link to comment
WV Reefer Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Just now, Smokey said: I cycled using 2 turbo snails which 1 of them is still alive. I don’t even know what that means? 1 1 Quote Link to comment
Smokey Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share Posted January 19, 2019 24 minutes ago, patback said: Pulling the sand will not get rid of ich. You need to go fallow and hold off on new fish going in. Like said above, some more details are needed. We would also need to get some details on what the fish were like before dying, where they came from, how long you had them, etc. I will hold off on putting fish in there but how will i know if its safe for it? Also i got my 2 clownfish at a small petstore, infact the only one in Key Largo, the Royal Gramma in a LFS and as well as the Black Molly. 1 minute ago, WV Reefer said: I don’t even know what that means? This means the beneficial bacteria fed off of the ammonia the snails produced 1 Quote Link to comment
patback Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Smokey said: I will hold off on putting fish in there but how will i know if its safe for it? Also i got my 2 clownfish at a small petstore, infact the only one in Key Largo, the Royal Gramma in a LFS and as well as the Black Molly. This means the beneficial bacteria fed off of the ammonia the snails produced You're tank did not cycle that way. Sorry to say it. The good news is, your rock looks matured. I forget the time frame, but I believe the time needed for all phases of the ich life cycle to be dead is around 76 days. 1 Quote Link to comment
WV Reefer Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, Smokey said: This means the beneficial bacteria fed off of the ammonia the snails produced Nope. 1 Quote Link to comment
WV Reefer Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 1 minute ago, patback said: You're tank did not cycle that way. Sorry to say it. The good news is, your rock looks matured. I forget the time frame, but I believe the time needed for all phases of the ich life cycle to be dead is around 76 days. Exactly. The ich is still there. Lots of good threads on how to properly treat. Quote Link to comment
Smokey Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share Posted January 19, 2019 1 minute ago, patback said: You're tank did not cycle that way. Sorry to say it. The good news is, your rock looks matured. I forget the time frame, but I believe the time needed for all phases of the ich life cycle to be dead is around 76 days. OMFG!! Will i be able to gradually add in 1 or 2 corals? Quote Link to comment
LogicalReefs Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Let’s makes this easy. Take out any fish and QT with your choice of ich treatment Dont put anything else in the tank for 80 days. Reintroduce fish after 80 days. If you put anything in your tank you will have to restart the 80 day time cycle. In order to keep your tank biological filtration up without fish ghost feed the tank for 80 days. 1 Quote Link to comment
Smokey Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, LogicalReefs said: Let’s makes this easy. Take out any fish and QT with your choice of ich treatment Dont put anything else in the tank for 80 days. Reintroduce fish after 80 days. If you put anything in your tank you will have to restart the 80 day time cycle. In order to keep your tank biological filtration up without fish ghost feed the tank for 80 days. Should i just leave my inverts in there instead of ghost feeding? I have no fish in there. Edited January 19, 2019 by Smokey Forgot 1 little thing Quote Link to comment
LogicalReefs Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 18 minutes ago, Smokey said: Should i just leave my inverts in there instead of ghost feeding? I have no fish in there. Inverts don’t get ich. Ich needs fish to survive. Without fish the ich will eventually die out. Quote Link to comment
Slim64684 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Smokey said: Should i just leave my inverts in there instead of ghost feeding? I have no fish in there. Imo the inverts will not create as much ammonia as a fish or ghost feeding. However there is no reason for the inverts to be removed and I believe the bacteria should not die off. However it may be helpful to ghost feed to help boost your biological bacteria. Quote Link to comment
Smokey Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share Posted January 19, 2019 44 minutes ago, LogicalReefs said: Inverts don’t get ich. Ich needs fish to survive. Without fish the ich will eventually die out. Thanks. Quote Link to comment
Smokey Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share Posted January 19, 2019 Just now, Slim64684 said: Imo the inverts will not create as much ammonia as a fish or ghost feeding. However there is no reason for the inverts to be removed and I believe the bacteria should not die off. However it may be helpful to ghost feed to help boost your biological bacteria. What should i ghost feed with? Will regular marine flakes work well? Quote Link to comment
Coinee Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 The plus side to all of this is you have plenty of time to do proper research and education while waiting for the ich to be gone. Use this time wisely and you won't have as many issues. Quote Link to comment
Slim64684 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 30 minutes ago, Smokey said: What should i ghost feed with? Will regular marine flakes work well? Yes. Any kind of food. Just be mindful of your ammonia, nitrate and phosphate levels Quote Link to comment
Smokey Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share Posted January 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Coinee said: The plus side to all of this is you have plenty of time to do proper research and education while waiting for the ich to be gone. Use this time wisely and you won't have as many issues. Thank you I'll make sure i will! 1 Quote Link to comment
Coinee Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 33 minutes ago, Smokey said: What should i ghost feed with? Will regular marine flakes work well? You can also buy Dr. Tim's ammonia drops on amazon: https://www.amazon.com/DrTims-Aquatics-Ammonium-chloride-bottle/dp/B006MP4QG6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1547868682&sr=8-1&keywords=dr+tim+ammonia The benefit to the drops is that they won't scum up or cloud the tank at all. 1 Quote Link to comment
Slim64684 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 If dosing with ammonia drops be very careful with living organisms (inverts/coral). Quote Link to comment
Clown79 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 The tank is most likely cycled by this point. It's been 4 mnths. You've had fish that died which produced ammonia when they peed, pooped, and died. You have living things in the tank now - shrimp, corals snails, don't dose ammonia- that will kill them and the good bacteria that has already developed. The original fish you added most likely had ich or another parasite and then every other fish added got it and died too. The tank must go fishless(fallow) for 8 weeks before another fish is added. That fish should be quarantined before being added to prevent this happening again. Feed your shrimp 1-2 times a week while the tank has no fish. During this fishless period, would be a good time to do research. 5 hours ago, Coinee said: You can also buy Dr. Tim's ammonia drops on amazon: https://www.amazon.com/DrTims-Aquatics-Ammonium-chloride-bottle/dp/B006MP4QG6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1547868682&sr=8-1&keywords=dr+tim+ammonia The benefit to the drops is that they won't scum up or cloud the tank at all. If there is corals and inverts- any life in the tank, ammonia should not be dosed. It will kill it. Quote Link to comment
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