Humblefish Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) Uronema marinum What You Need To Know: * These are the red sores most often seen on chromis damsels; however it can afflict any fish.* Treatment of choice is a 45 minute formalin bath (e.g. Quick Cure), followed by transfer into a new/sterile QT.* Once in QT, it is very important to do followup treatment to ensure all of the parasites have been eliminated. This can be accomplished by dosing and food soaking metronidazole (e.g. Seachem Metroplex) for 10-14 days.* There is no fallow period for Uronema. Once a tank has Uronema, it must be assumed that the disease can survive in there almost indefinitely. Additional Information Uronema marinum is a ciliate parasite with a direct life cycle: It lives, feeds and reproduces directly on the fish (no encysted stage). However, there always exists the possibility that parasites can drop off into the water column and infect other fish. Having no encysted stage makes this pathogen easier to eliminate, but do not underestimate how fast killing Uronema can be. Especially with chromis damsels. Two additional caveats to know about Uronema: 1. A fish infected with Uronema should also be fed food soaked with metronidazole because the disease can spread internally. Seachem Focus can be used to bind the medication to the food. 2. Uronema is a “free living” parasite which does not require a fish host. It can subsist off bacteria, dead tissue and (mainly) detritus. So, going fallow will not eradicate it. Most fish seem protected from it via their natural immune system; but for some reason, chromis and some other fish are not always afforded this protection. This is one pathogen you never want in your display tank. Probably the best way to manage its presence is to maintain a very clean aquarium with minimal detritus and avoid chromis damsels. This should keep the number of parasites low because you are eliminating the pathogen’s two main food sources. Treatment Options – A formalin or Ruby Reef Rally bath are the two best options for providing relief to an infected specimen: Formalin (45 min bath): https://www.nano-reef.com/forums/topic/401678-formalin-fish-medication-information/ Rally (90 min bath): https://www.nano-reef.com/forums/topic/401832-acriflavine-fish-medication-information/ Post bath, transfer the fish into a clean/sterile QT to prevent reinfection. Then dose Chloroquine Phosphate once (60 mg/gal) or metronidazole every 48 hours for 10-14 days thereafter. This is to ensure all of the parasites have been eradicated. Remember to also food soak metronidazole during the QT period in order to eliminate the internal parasites as well. A 5 minute freshwater dip may provide temporary relief if you are unable to locate any of the aforementioned medications right away. It is a wise course of action to always transfer the fish into a new/sterile QT following each freshwater dip to prevent reinfection. *** UPDATE:If a fish is showing active signs (red sores) of Uronema, DO NOT use formalin or H2O2 on that fish. Both chemicals will burn the sores, and ultimately do more harm than good. (Formalin and H2O2 are still appropriate for fish you suspect may be carriers of Uronema, but not yet showing red sores.) If a fish is showing active signs (red sores) of Uronema, you have two options: Euthanasia: How to euthanize a fish 5 min freshwater dip + dose Metronidazole (Flagyl) every 48 hours for 14 days in a QT. To be honest, option #2 only has a slight chance of working because usually by the time you see the red sores on the fish it's too little, too late. I personally just euthanize the fish to prevent the disease from spreading. Edited December 26, 2019 by Humblefish Updated info 2 1 Quote Link to comment
Red_Blenny Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 I saw the Uronema thread that is currently active at R2R (along with some "interesting" QT treatments other people are talking about, slightly derailing that thread) and I'm like good thing I haven't had a chromi for like 4+ years... then I saw this: 18 hours ago, Humblefish said: * There is no fallow period for Uronema. Once a tank has Uronema, it must be assumed that the disease can survive in there almost indefinitely. 18 hours ago, Humblefish said: 2. Uronema is a “free living” parasite which does not require a fish host. It can subsist off bacteria, dead tissue and (mainly) detritus. So, going fallow will not eradicate it. Most fish seem protected from it via their natural immune system; but for some reason, chromis and some other fish are not always afforded this protection. This is one pathogen you never want in your display tank. Probably the best way to manage its presence is to maintain a very clean aquarium with minimal detritus and avoid chromis damsels. This should keep the number of parasites low because you are eliminating the pathogen’s two main food sources. I'm like yikes 😷 3 Quote Link to comment
mcarroll Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 On 12/31/2018 at 6:44 PM, Red_Blenny said: I saw the Uronema thread that is currently active at R2R [...] and I'm like good thing I haven't had a chromi for like 4+ years. There really wasn't enough detail on that thread about what actually happened for us to come to any informed conclusions. (Makes it seem like hand-waving to me.) For such a remarkable claim, what info was posted? There were no photos of how their fish looked when they came in, no proof of what they saw on the fish after de-bagging them, no progression pics of the diseased fish, no microscope pics or regular pics of the disease itself on the fish as proof of it being uronema, no pics of their QT system, no new research inspired by this "new threat", no alternative responses mentioned... It seems like posting that thread wouldn't do a lot for anyone reading it other than to induce fear. Based on what is posted, I'd have to infer that their QT facility was overwhelmed by what they referred to as a "giant quarantine batch". It is well known (to science at least) that an overloaded tank stresses out every fishand jackes up the rate and severity of disease. QT tanks are already naturally higher-stress than a display tank, so it's a very bad move in the QT . If any fish did come in with a disease, then a "giant batch" in a QT tank could be counted on to take their stress levels over the edge to allow/cause a full-on outbreak. That is a general pattern, not something new or related to uronema. 1 Quote Link to comment
Humblefish Posted December 26, 2019 Author Share Posted December 26, 2019 *** UPDATE:If a fish is showing active signs (red sores) of Uronema, DO NOT use formalin or H2O2 on that fish. Both chemicals will burn the sores, and ultimately do more harm than good. (Formalin and H2O2 are still appropriate for fish you suspect may be carriers of Uronema, but not yet showing red sores.) If a fish is showing active signs (red sores) of Uronema, you have two options: Euthanasia: How to euthanize a fish 5 min freshwater dip + dose Metronidazole (Flagyl) every 48 hours for 14 days in a QT. To be honest, option #2 only has a slight chance of working because usually by the time you see the red sores on the fish it's too little, too late. I personally just euthanize the fish to prevent the disease from spreading. 2 Quote Link to comment
Lulu_Lunette Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 If you suspect this in a tank that has corals how would you recommend moving those corals? Rinse in clean water one/several times? Dipping? Quote Link to comment
Humblefish Posted January 2, 2020 Author Share Posted January 2, 2020 6 hours ago, Lulu_Lunette said: If you suspect this in a tank that has corals how would you recommend moving those corals? Rinse in clean water one/several times? Dipping? Best bet would be a 1/3 H2O2, 2/3 saltwater bath for 3-5 minutes. Rinse in clean saltwater afterwards (swish the coral around). Use 3% H2O2 found at Walmart, drug stores, etc. Not all corals may tolerate this treatment. Quote Link to comment
Lulu_Lunette Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 On 1/1/2020 at 9:29 PM, Humblefish said: Best bet would be a 1/3 H2O2, 2/3 saltwater bath for 3-5 minutes. Rinse in clean saltwater afterwards (swish the coral around). Use 3% H2O2 found at Walmart, drug stores, etc. Not all corals may tolerate this treatment. Would a coral dip like Reef Primer or Coral RX work? Most of the corals are LPS Quote Link to comment
Humblefish Posted January 4, 2020 Author Share Posted January 4, 2020 7 hours ago, Lulu_Lunette said: Would a coral dip like Reef Primer or Coral RX work? Most of the corals are LPS It's never actually been tested, but I suspect coral dips will eliminate parasites with a direct lifecycle (e.g. brook, uronema). But if there's a tomont (e.g Ich, velvet) encysted upon a coral then I doubt a coral dip will have any impact as it takes 60ppm chlorine to eliminate those. Quote Link to comment
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