holy carp Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 So I know this has come up countless times in the past, but I'm trying to get a little more of a gameplan... The She (about 1.5-1.75" Phantom ocellaris currently in breeder box jail): The He (about 1"-1.125" Snowflake ocellaris currently free in tank): So I am trying to get an idea of the following: Does the Phantom (bigger and apparently more aggressive) belong in jail? Or should I put the smaller injured Snowflake into isolation? How long do people recommend to keep them separated? So far it's the second day of separation. Is it better to separate for a long period and reintroduce, or do it multiple times for shorter jail time? How long do tail fins take to heal up? I imagine it would not be worth waiting that long to reintroduce the Phantom. Quote Link to comment
burtbollinger Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 fins take a long time and the pairing may not ever work. been there, done that...multiple times...never, ever ended well. Personally, I'd return both to the LFS and start from scratch. others may disagree...good luck Quote Link to comment
Tamberav Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 I see a small nip in her fin too. Was he trying to submit? Was there any lip locking? Want to be sure that he is really a he. Quote Link to comment
holy carp Posted March 18, 2018 Author Share Posted March 18, 2018 They were both doing some twitching, so I really thought the bonding/pairing was going normally. They had been together for a month pretty peacefully and frolicking about prior to the aggression escalating. Then this damage happened over the course of 2 days. There was presumably some lip locking. I didn't see it first hand, but the small male has some damage around the mouth. It's mainly the lower jaw where you can see a bit of bruising and maybe a little skin missing. I'm not sure what the lip locking indicates, though. The size difference is pretty significant when you see them next to each other. I never saw the small one trying to be dominant. Quote Link to comment
OPtasia Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 It's hard to pair them sometimes. I would also take them back to the LFS and try again. If there's a bonded pair already at the LFS, you can try them. Aggressive females are picky about their potential mates. 1 Quote Link to comment
holy carp Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 My LFS sucks a bag of aragonite. They won't take anything back unless you 'donate' it to them. Quote Link to comment
ajmckay Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 +1 to what's been said... This has happened to me and both times the smaller fish died. If you want the smaller fish to fully heal you need to plan that they be separated for probably 3-5 weeks. It's not really practical to keep one in the breeder box that long so you'll have to set up a hospital tank. Re-introduction is a crap shoot. Didn't work for me even after the smaller fish healed up. But the only other choice (assuming you keep both fish) is to put them together again which will certainly end with the smaller getting killed. None of the LFS by me will trade in fish either... Quote Link to comment
holy carp Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 After 3 days in jail, I released the She the night before last. I was working from home yesterday and figured I could intervene if I needed to separate them again. So far there has been no significant chasing or aggression. And there has been a lot more twitching response from the He. Keeping an eye on them but keeping my fingers crossed as well... Will post updates as this plays out. Quote Link to comment
holy carp Posted April 10, 2018 Author Share Posted April 10, 2018 So far, 3 days in the clink seems to have remedied the aggression. Since releasing the female, she has not acted the male. She just does the little darts at him and he twitches in response. It's been just about 3 weeks now and no further fin damage. The tail seems to be healing nicely. Quote Link to comment
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