Minmay Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Hi everyone! So, I was interested in another tank (Mr. Aqua 12g Long) my question is if I just wanted to transfer everything from my fluval 13.5 to the 12 long, does the 12 long still need to be cycled b4 tansferring the livestock??? Thank u. Quote Link to comment
justjoshinya Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Do you currently run a sump? Do you have a sand bed? If yes and yes I wouldn't be too concerned you may have a small cycle due to some die off but if you don't have a sump or sand a lot of the beneficial bacteria will be on the walls and any filters and power heads as well as your live rock so you may need to keep an eye on your ammonia levels 1 Quote Link to comment
Minmay Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 1 minute ago, justjoshinya said: Do you currently run a sump? Do you have a sand bed? If yes and yes I wouldn't be too concerned you may have a small cycle due to some die off but if you don't have a sump or sand a lot of the beneficial bacteria will be on the walls and any filters and power heads as well as your live rock so you may need to keep an eye on your ammonia levels No, I dont have a sump but my fluval has been running for 6mo now with Live Sand (caribsea arag live special grade sand) also, just ordered an intank refugium to put my current mangroves amd macroalgae that i'll be getting soon from NR member. Quote Link to comment
Muraki Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Depends on how "Live" your live rock is. I agree with the previous post, you are going to be looking at a possible mini cycle. With your current tank only being 6 months old, and without seeing how "Live" your rock is. I suggest cycling the new tank and seeding it with a piece of your live rock. 1 Quote Link to comment
Minmay Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 Recently I noticed a very small feather duster on the bottom of one of my hammers. Closer inspection to see if I can spot anymore dusters and I see several on the rocks. Still small tho. I was thinking if I dont even take the rocks out of the water. Put a container in tank. Gather the rocks/ live stock. Once rocks/corals/fishes have been removed. Start siphoning the sand and remaining water into new tank. I wonder if that would even work without it getting too messy lol. Quote Link to comment
Dominator Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 You will probably go through a mini cycle, but not full. If you can, I would start off with a piece of rock from old tank and cycle the new tank. What do you have in terms of livestock? 1 Quote Link to comment
Minmay Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 18 minutes ago, Dominator said: You will probably go through a mini cycle, but not full. If you can, I would start off with a piece of rock from old tank and cycle the new tank. What do you have in terms of livestock? I have a clown, pistol/goby combo that doesnt like each other lol, hector goby and tailspot blenny, Softies, LPS. The tailspot blenny will be rehomed after my Blasto tank has been cycled. Quote Link to comment
Clown79 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 If you wash your sand bed completely or use new sand, there should be no cycle. Your rock is already cycled. The bacteria will not die from transferring. It won't even die out of water for short periods. Using old sand can cause a spike, using new liverock because it may have decaying matter on it, or letting your rock dry out causes die off. 1 Quote Link to comment
Minmay Posted September 21, 2017 Author Share Posted September 21, 2017 45 minutes ago, Clown79 said: If you wash your sand bed completely or use new sand, there should be no cycle. Your rock is already cycled. The bacteria will not die from transferring. It won't even die out of water for short periods. Using old sand can cause a spike, using new liverock because it may have decaying matter on it, or letting your rock dry out causes die off. Oooo ok. Thank you!! So how do I know when I've cleaned the sand really good?? When it no longer clouds? Quote Link to comment
Clown79 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 57 minutes ago, Minmay said: Oooo ok. Thank you!! So how do I know when I've cleaned the sand really good?? When it no longer clouds? You want to rinse it till it runs clear. Tap water is fine, the pressure from.a garden hose or sink will help. With your final rinse, you dechlorinator. I removed everything from a tank to replace sand and had no issues with a cycle. I will be doing a transfer very soon. I got the seachem ammonia alert (I tested it and now using it in preperation for transfer) I also keep prime on hand in case of anything. 1 Quote Link to comment
Minmay Posted September 21, 2017 Author Share Posted September 21, 2017 38 minutes ago, Clown79 said: You want to rinse it till it runs clear. Tap water is fine, the pressure from.a garden hose or sink will help. With your final rinse, you dechlorinator. I removed everything from a tank to replace sand and had no issues with a cycle. I will be doing a transfer very soon. I got the seachem ammonia alert (I tested it and now using it in preperation for transfer) I also keep prime on hand in case of anything. Thank you, also whats the point of rinsing the sand? Im not killing the beneficial bacteria when doing that? Quote Link to comment
Clown79 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 You don't want to transfer all the nasty buildup in the sand bed. Once you disturb it, you will release all that crap. Ppl who don't use new sane or clean sand run into issues. The vast majority of beneficial bacteria is in the rocks. Many ppl with pico's rinse out their sand regularly, some hobbiests do a full tank clean yearly with sand washing. Always siphon any water you plan on using before touching the sand. 1 Quote Link to comment
Minmay Posted September 21, 2017 Author Share Posted September 21, 2017 8 hours ago, Clown79 said: You don't want to transfer all the nasty buildup in the sand bed. Once you disturb it, you will release all that crap. Ppl who don't use new sane or clean sand run into issues. The vast majority of beneficial bacteria is in the rocks. Many ppl with pico's rinse out their sand regularly, some hobbiests do a full tank clean yearly with sand washing. Always siphon any water you plan on using before touching the sand. Oic. Thank u. I appreciate the info! Quote Link to comment
brandon429 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/the-official-sand-rinse-thread-aka-one-against-many.230281/#post-2681445 linking that just so you can see others outcomes after switch. Clown is right if you move over partial waste, low level rinsing out of concern for bac, that actually risks the mini cycle, its all in the mud waste. on first page of that link, look how clean my sand rinses using simple tap water. I then flush it out lastly with salt, then put the tank back together and in your tank you are moving to a new set of glass. if you power wash knowing rinsing cannot remove bacteria, then you're free to be waste free. The key is taking out sensitive animals and corals first, put them in a calm holding container off to the side. be rough with the sandbed, replace or rinse it all out, then set back up in your new tank. it will only recycle if you leave waste in there somehow. no waste, no recycle. pls document journey we'll add to that thread. 1 1 Quote Link to comment
Minmay Posted September 21, 2017 Author Share Posted September 21, 2017 2 hours ago, brandon429 said: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/the-official-sand-rinse-thread-aka-one-against-many.230281/#post-2681445 linking that just so you can see others outcomes after switch. Clown is right if you move over partial waste, low level rinsing out of concern for bac, that actually risks the mini cycle, its all in the mud waste. on first page of that link, look how clean my sand rinses using simple tap water. I then flush it out lastly with salt, then put the tank back together and in your tank you are moving to a new set of glass. if you power wash knowing rinsing cannot remove bacteria, then you're free to be waste free. The key is taking out sensitive animals and corals first, put them in a calm holding container off to the side. be rough with the sandbed, replace or rinse it all out, then set back up in your new tank. it will only recycle if you leave waste in there somehow. no waste, no recycle. pls document journey we'll add to that thread. Thank u for the info. It was a great and thorough read. I'll be documenting it in my "journey to serenity" journal. 1 Quote Link to comment
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