DominicDuffy Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 Ammonia still the same as before. Is my tank basically cycling again ? Quote Link to comment
Clown79 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 It could be a false 0.25 reading or it's going through an ammonia spike Quote Link to comment
DominicDuffy Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 But if Iv took my rock of the tank to aquascape then bacteria has died won’t that mean my tank has to cycle again ? Quote Link to comment
Tamberav Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 It could be a mini cycle... Not all the bacteria dies right away. It should fix itself a lot faster than a normal cycle. It's also possible the epoxy is causing a false reading.. I'm not sure how that stuff may effect test kits. Quote Link to comment
DominicDuffy Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 I don’t think it was a false reading because the fishes health has decreased. There still hiding begind the rocks with them breathing a bit heavier than normal. How long do you think it will take to do a mini cycle ? Quote Link to comment
DominicDuffy Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 These are the reading I’m getting I’m surprised with the nitrite because I thought the nitrite would be high due to the ammonia converting bacteria creating nitrite. Also my corals seem to be doing fine except two ultra types of zoanthids. The high ph will be caused by the ammonia won’t it ? Quote Link to comment
DominicDuffy Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 I was looking online and they reckon lowering your ph can reduce ammonia. Is this correct and can it be done using 1ml of white distilled vinegar per gallon ? Quote Link to comment
Tamberav Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 22 minutes ago, DominicDuffy said: I was looking online and they reckon lowering your ph can reduce ammonia. Is this correct and can it be done using 1ml of white distilled vinegar per gallon ? DO NOT EVER TRY TO CORRECT PH - its best not even to test for it to even be tempted to mess with pH. pH will changed based on the Co2 in the air in your house. Correcting it will only cause it to change back and cause a SWING stressing your corals further. Vinegar is also a carbon source and dosing it can cause a bacterial bloom and lower oxygen. It also does not reduce ammonia, it only makes it less toxic but your tank isn't a closed environment so its not going to stay low. The tank needs to just be left alone, all these changes are what is causing issues. Water changes and prime are the only things I would do that wont harm the corals. 1 Quote Link to comment
DominicDuffy Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 I was going to get some price today but the closest lfs is about 17 miles away and there’s about 3 foot snow outside so driving I’m unable to get some. Also Iv only just got enough saltwater to be used in case it gets worse I don’t want to do water changes with it. Quote Link to comment
Clown79 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 3 hours ago, DominicDuffy said: But if Iv took my rock of the tank to aquascape then bacteria has died won’t that mean my tank has to cycle again ? Many of us take rocks out to rescape or when we upgrade. My rocks were out of water for more than 1hr when I upgraded. After an hr I started spraying sw on them but for 30-45 mins they were out of water. No spike at all. Rocks retain more water than what we think. It's a new tank with a small water volume. Its very easy for things to go downhill fast. You've been using NOPOX(most wouldn't advise this in a new system) then the epoxy was used. That epoxy alone could be causing all these issues, it's the only brand I know of that has a warning. You have an anemone, how is it reacting to the epoxy/ammonia spike. Like @Tamberav Mentioned. Don't chase ph, don't even try to alter it. The best thing you can do is waterchanges and using prime. That is all you can do until the ammonia processes. 1 Quote Link to comment
DominicDuffy Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 The anemone is just the same as it always is I’m still trying to get rid of it Quote Link to comment
DominicDuffy Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 It’s only the fish and two frags of Zoas that have been affected. My other zoas and corals seem to be fine. Iv been testing my ammonia all day and it looks like it’s slowly decreasing Quote Link to comment
DominicDuffy Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 Do you think I will get through this without any fish dying or corals dying if I don’t do a water change to use prime. Because the UK has been hit by a lot of snow and I’m unable to drive to the lfs. My clowns are now out from under rocks and swimming near the nem Quote Link to comment
DominicDuffy Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 I have about 2.5g of saltwater left do you think I should use for a water change or keep in case I need to get fish and corals out of tank? Quote Link to comment
Clown79 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 7 hours ago, DominicDuffy said: I have about 2.5g of saltwater left do you think I should use for a water change or keep in case I need to get fish and corals out of tank? To get the fish out of tank you will still run into the issue of waterchanges because the ammonia level will rise as they poop etc. In emergency qt/hospital tank, most use prime or daily waterchanges to reduce ammonia. You can't keep the fish in a small container like food storage container. They would need temp control and water movement. If the ammonia is dropping that's good. 1 Quote Link to comment
DominicDuffy Posted March 1, 2018 Author Share Posted March 1, 2018 My fish have started to swim as normal again, but I’m going to check my ammonia now. Quote Link to comment
DominicDuffy Posted March 1, 2018 Author Share Posted March 1, 2018 My ammonia level is still between 0.25 and 0.50 and not dropping Quote Link to comment
DominicDuffy Posted March 1, 2018 Author Share Posted March 1, 2018 By ammonia level is 1ppm now what’s happening ? Quote Link to comment
DominicDuffy Posted March 1, 2018 Author Share Posted March 1, 2018 My fish are swimming fine now and also all my zoanthids and corals are all open. But this is what I’m getting for ammonia. Quote Link to comment
Clown79 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Did something die? I think between nopox, epoxy, and rocks out of water something happened and your tank is now cycling again. Once again-small volume of water is easily effected by everything you do and use. Rocks out of water for 10mins would not cause enough die off to cause a full out spike. They wouldn't even be dry or semi dry. Ppl with Pico jars have rocks out of water for 10mins or more with no issue Quote Link to comment
DominicDuffy Posted March 2, 2018 Author Share Posted March 2, 2018 Nothing has died. All I have done is removed the rocks for about 10 minutes glued it together a put it back in. I keep testing ammonia and nitrites but my ammonia is getting higher and nitrite is at 0ppm. I thought if my tank was cycling my nitrite would increase and my ammonia decrease. Quote Link to comment
Clown79 Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 The nitrites increase once ammonia processes Quote Link to comment
DominicDuffy Posted March 2, 2018 Author Share Posted March 2, 2018 My ammonia hasn’t decreased in three days. Still the same now Quote Link to comment
Clown79 Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Maybe its your test kit? A large water change is needed, like 50%. Quote Link to comment
DominicDuffy Posted March 2, 2018 Author Share Posted March 2, 2018 Iv just bought some Seachem Prime how much do I need to dose and should I do water change before dosing ? Quote Link to comment
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