tofer Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 I just noticed that my royal gramma is acting a little strange ate fine tonight .When I looked in a little bit ago it is like shooting down and scuffing up against the sand then goes back to his normal spot actually has made a little ditch area . Its breathing fine no visually signs of anything the cardinal fish are acting fine no issues any ideas . The only thing I could do is and not sure if I can is setup an old 3 gallon Betta tank but would think its too small ? Quote Link to comment
Clown79 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Royal Gramma's do make ditches. It may not be any disease. Keep an eye on it. 1 Quote Link to comment
tofer Posted March 16, 2017 Author Share Posted March 16, 2017 Okay I think I see a white spot on the gramma . Like I said above only have a 3 gal tank I could use as a hospital tank . Would para guard work for ick if I remove snails and coral and put them in smaller tank ? And from what I read it will not harm my good bacteria Quote Link to comment
SquishyFishy Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Be careful its not just a spec of sand stuck on him with the ditching....my Black Cap does it something fierce, loves to throw sand and rocks around, you can't believe how strong he is! And lots of times he has sand particles stuck on him which alarm me, but see if it doesn't go away by a couple days before you panic. 1 Quote Link to comment
Clown79 Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 It could be sand on the fish. Never treat your display tank. Ever. I know copper treats ich. Meds will be absorbed by rocks, sand, even silicone and can effect anything you add into the tank after. You would need to remove the fish, treat it in the hospital tank, and your display tank would need to go fishless for 6-8 weeks for ich to be gone. Therex no other way to get rid of ich but going fallow while treating the ill fish in a hospital tank. If you don't have a hospital tank cycled, you will need to test for ammonia daily and do frequent water changes as Seachem Prime can't be used with meds. 2 Quote Link to comment
tofer Posted March 19, 2017 Author Share Posted March 19, 2017 Well an update the gramma is doing okay it may have been sand I just waited it out . It hung out for in its cave for a day . I was away overnight came home and seemed to be fine ate now seems back to itself but will keep an eye on it . 1 Quote Link to comment
tofer Posted March 23, 2017 Author Share Posted March 23, 2017 Well the Garmma has died I found it when I came home from work . The Cardinal fish seems fine doing its normal thing with that said I have the old 3 gal betta tank with fresh salt water in it filtering and heated if i don't see it acting funny . I checked Parameters 0 ammonia (checked because of the death ) Nitrates 5 (which is down form 10 before water change i over feed a little last week ) , PH 8 , alk 10, calcium 400, temp 78.5 ,salinity 1.025 . I have been thinking about 2 Saturdays ago added small torch coral frag could there be a chance it stung the gramma ? Im thinking this isn't the case but only thing I can think of that was new in the tank . Quote Link to comment
dpoltsdsu Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 If the fish was itching on the sand, I suspect that ich was invloved. Is the Cardinal itching at all? Quote Link to comment
tofer Posted March 24, 2017 Author Share Posted March 24, 2017 Well I'm bummed it was ich . I have learned the hard way the cardinal fish died just before I got home last night and this morning everything was okay . Ate great last night swimming fine ,was swimming fine this morning not breathing heavy ,not rubbing up against anything or acting strange . With this said tank will be going fishless until at least the end of May beginning of June . Quote Link to comment
xAyanex Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Sorry for your losses. That is a frustrating part of this hobby. That being said, it really pays to quarantine your fish, or at least have an adequate hospital tank to fall back on. A quarantine tank setup of a 10 gallon tank is extremely cheap. Also, there are many ways to treat fish for ich, such as the tank transfer method, cupramine treatment, and hyposalinity. seabass recently wrote a nice article about it. 1 Quote Link to comment
tofer Posted March 25, 2017 Author Share Posted March 25, 2017 Now I know your not suppose to add anything to the tank coral , snails from what I have read . But could I add copepods? Quote Link to comment
tofer Posted March 25, 2017 Author Share Posted March 25, 2017 3 hours ago, xAyanex said: Sorry for your losses. That is a frustrating part of this hobby. That being said, it really pays to quarantine your fish, or at least have an adequate hospital tank to fall back on. A quarantine tank setup of a 10 gallon tank is extremely cheap. Also, there are many ways to treat fish for ich, such as the tank transfer method, cupramine treatment, and hyposalinity. seabass recently wrote a nice article about it. Yeah I will be working on a quarantine tank in the future before more livestock . I have been reading a lot about treatments and hoping I will not need in the future . (I can hope right ) 1 Quote Link to comment
xAyanex Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 Just now, tofer said: Yeah I will be working on a quarantine tank in the future before more livestock . I have been reading a lot about treatments and hoping I will not need in the future . (I can hope right ) I have never had to treat any fish for anything yet. I am still hoping I never will have to. 1 Quote Link to comment
Clown79 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 Ich doesn't usually kill fish that quickly, hardy fish often can fight it without treatment. It could have been velvet because velvet can take fish out within a day or 2. It also can "look" like ich and gas similar symptoms. The unfortunate thing is, even when qt is applied with fish, ich can be introduced by corals, snails, crabs, rocks. They aren't effected by the parasite but can come in with these. Ich can also present itself in stressful times, poor water quality, over crowded environment. 1 Quote Link to comment
tofer Posted March 25, 2017 Author Share Posted March 25, 2017 Clown79 Thanks for the info on possibly being velvet . Still leaving tank fishless until end of May beginning of June . Water quality is pretty good and stable I did get a little algae outbreak as I got a little heavy handed with feeding . With corals bringing in ich would dipping in Coral Rx remove ? Quote Link to comment
Clown79 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 Velvet requires a fallow period as. I had it once, took out 2 fish within a few days. Totally sucks! I let my tank go fallow for 8 weeks and added nothing. The problem with velvet opposed to ich, is that with velvet the visual symptoms show up after the parasite has been already "attacking" the fish. As far as i can tell, dips don't work on everything. I do fw and coral rx dips and still got flatworms and a parasite. 1 Quote Link to comment
tofer Posted March 26, 2017 Author Share Posted March 26, 2017 Clown 79 would it be a good idea to add copepods to my tank now ? Will it it create a issue since there will be no fish and will the Duncan , torch, and zoanthids eat them ? Quote Link to comment
jambon Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Hi Sorry for your loss, it sucks whaen that happens. It happened to me. IMO you can add pods to yout tank, Thay are tiny crustaceans. Your corals may eat a few but I think they will still have a chance to establish before you add fish again. 1 Quote Link to comment
fishfreak0114 Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Dips won't keep ich out, I recently had ich in my tank that must have come in on corals or a snail or something, because all of my fish were ich free when I put them in (most were treated for it during QT). If you're planning on adding pods I would add them now, then they can really establish themselves before the fish come in and start chowing down. And it'll give you something to look at with them all over the glass Now that they're not being eating, I have at least a thousand on my glass all the time. 1 Quote Link to comment
tofer Posted March 26, 2017 Author Share Posted March 26, 2017 That's what I was thinking with the pods give them a chance to multiply . I'm in the process getting a QT so I can reduce the risk of bringing in pests . 1 Quote Link to comment
tofer Posted May 29, 2017 Author Share Posted May 29, 2017 An update DT has had no fish since 3/25 Qt tank still in cycle getting closer . Corals ,cleaner shrimp, and snails and hermits doing well . I did end up adding Pods to the tank and they seem to be multiplying . I have found what seems to be baby snails of some sort can't tell what kind they are as they are very small . Still have a small area of diatoms and GHA but slowly getting that taken care of . So now a question about the qt which is a 10g with a HOB filter pic pipes and some small rock rubble . In my mind I would say qt one fish at a time . Would 2 fish be pushing past what that size tank could handle ? E.g. Banggai Cardinal fish Quote Link to comment
fishfreak0114 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 If you keep up with waterchanges and dose seachem prime to neutralize potential ammonia, I think it should be fine. 1 Quote Link to comment
GregEmmitte Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Ich is weird. I had a royal gamma that had it and eventually died from it. He hid in a way where I couldn't get to him. At the time I had 3 other fish, that I still have which displayed no symptoms of ich. Also no new fish I've added since got ich. The only fish I do have that has a resistance to ich is mandarin dragonet. 1 Quote Link to comment
tofer Posted May 30, 2017 Author Share Posted May 30, 2017 7 minutes ago, GregEmmitte said: Ich is weird. I had a royal gamma that had it and eventually died from it. He hid in a way where I couldn't get to him. At the time I had 3 other fish, that I still have which displayed no symptoms of ich. Also no new fish I've added since got ich. The only fish I do have that has a resistance to ich is mandarin dragonet. It is weird and the royal gramma did the same thing with me as far getting into a place where I could not get him easy. 1 Quote Link to comment
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