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Mmmm...

 

So i was thinking I have three options in mind to start off with my pico tank I am in AUS so no to sure if i would be able to get the second option...

 

1. SKIMZ Ibox

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Aquarium-Fish-T...=item3a65c627bf[/

 

2. CADLIGHTS 4G

http://www.cadlights.com/index.php?main_pa...products_id=183

 

3. Build my own all in one Pico Tank with built in filter system like the two tanks above

 

I'd really appreciate your input thanks guys

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I vote for build your own. You can design your tank to do anything you want, then order up some pre-cut acrylic and weld-on and you can assemble the project in a day or two. And it'll cost you less, too. Why mess around with trying to fit this or that piece of equipment where you want it, trying to cut this or that down to get the flow right, and wasting money on the stock light just to replace it with a reef-capable unit? Just make it your way from the start.

 

That's what I'm doing. I spent a few hours on Sketchup making my design, spent about $70 on precut acrylic and weld-on, and built it in a day. My DIY rock structures are curing now, hope to have it wet on Wednesday.

 

But, if you're not comfortable working with acrylic or you want that seamless look on the front corners, then I vote for the ibox. In white. Next to your iMac. In white. Next to your docked iPad. In white. Next to your docked iPhone. In white. That would be the happiest desk ever.

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I am in aus too. I bought an i-box nano white - and i plan to put fresh water (bumble bee gobies) in it, cause its really too small to put any marine live stock in it. I am currently DIYing a 14G myself using acrylic. Theres not many other options apart from DIY in oz. Good luck - feel free to pick my brain.

 

I am in aus too. I bought an i-box nano white - and i plan to put fresh water (bumble bee gobies) in it, cause its really too small to put any marine live stock in it. I am currently DIYing a 14G myself using acrylic. Theres not many other options apart from DIY in oz. Good luck - feel free to pick my brain.

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I have a couple pieces of glass lying around that could just get cut up for a tank.

 

Is there a reason though as to why you guys are suggesting acrylic?

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DIY Cube Nano Man
Is there a reason though as to why you guys are suggesting acrylic?

 

Pretty much also because I had it lying around. It is lighter though, less chance of cracking/breaking, and also easier to DIY if your building an AIO filter type tank cause u can cut it easier and without special tools. The only real down side is it can scratch if you dont use correct cleaning/scraper equipment. Most people argue its more expensive however that really only applies to larger set ups I think.

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I just came up with an idea to make a similar setup to the fluval edge designand have my run off in the back section of the design. Also with building an AIO filtration setup how big does it need to be?

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I just came up with an idea to make a similar setup to the fluval edge designand have my run off in the back section of the design. Also with building an AIO filtration setup how big does it need to be?

 

Well I'm only currently building my first nano, so I can't say its a success yet. But most places say its not necessary if your using LR and completing regular WC's (like twice weekly is ideal on an 14G or less - the smaller the more frequent). However I'm more of a lazy person when it comes to WC's so I decided on building a filter compartment to be on the safe side (I think surface skimming and some extra mechanical/biological filtration would not hurt). I used the minimum size that would allow me to fit the return pump in as well as be able to get my hand in and out from (i have fat hands so ~2.5-3inches wide and runs 2 thirds of the width of the tank - about 9 inches). FYI - My tank will be about 14G once rock and sand is introduced.

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Well I'm only currently building my first nano, so I can't say its a success yet. But most places say its not necessary if your using LR and completing regular WC's (like twice weekly is ideal on an 14G or less - the smaller the more frequent). However I'm more of a lazy person when it comes to WC's so I decided on building a filter compartment to be on the safe side (I think surface skimming and some extra mechanical/biological filtration would not hurt). I used the minimum size that would allow me to fit the return pump in as well as be able to get my hand in and out from (i have fat hands so ~2.5-3inches wide and runs 2 thirds of the width of the tank - about 9 inches). FYI - My tank will be about 14G once rock and sand is introduced.

 

I also Have a 16G Nano-Tank Setup and I am running a 2000l/ph hang on filter/skimmer and an internal 500l/ph filter for extraflow and it works a treat although it would look a heap better with an AIO design in the back of it.

 

Thanks heaps Nano Man have you got any pics of it at all?

 

Seeing as I have decided to go with the fluval edge design although slightly better do you suggest glass or acrylic?

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I also Have a 16G Nano-Tank Setup and I am running a 2000l/ph hang on filter/skimmer and an internal 500l/ph filter for extraflow and it works a treat although it would look a heap better with an AIO design in the back of it.

 

Thanks heaps Nano Man have you got any pics of it at all?

 

Seeing as I have decided to go with the fluval edge design although slightly better do you suggest glass or acrylic?

 

The material is getting cut to shape for me this week, then glueing and leak testing will take up the next week. I might try to get some sketches together in the mean time that way everyone doesnt have to wait as long... lol!

 

For modest sized nano tanks I honestly don't think it matters greatly what material you use. I guess if I knew which gave the better clarity I would choose that one. Maybe one could argue that acrylic would have slightly better insulation because it doesn't conduct heat as well... really grasping at straws to pick a real difference between them though- I reckon clarity and the look of the tank would be the number one factors on choice, then availability of the material you want, the pricing as a final concern if your sticking to a budget.

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The material is getting cut to shape for me this week, then glueing and leak testing will take up the next week. I might try to get some sketches together in the mean time that way everyone doesnt have to wait as long... lol!

 

For modest sized nano tanks I honestly don't think it matters greatly what material you use. I guess if I knew which gave the better clarity I would choose that one. Maybe one could argue that acrylic would have slightly better insulation because it doesn't conduct heat as well... really grasping at straws to pick a real difference between them though- I reckon clarity and the look of the tank would be the number one factors on choice, then availability of the material you want, the pricing as a final concern if your sticking to a budget.

 

I was thinking to go acrylic as it would be easier to work with for the type of thing I want to do. The tank itself will be similar to this setup for an uptop view

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/20x16x8-Acrylic-Fragtank-Rimless-External-Overflow-/260845911567?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cbba0be0f

 

I am even considering this design but in a smaller scale i like the idea of an open shallow tank as well

 

 

Woops forgot the link.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/18x18x6-3-8-Acrylic-AIO-frag-tank-black-bottom-/260937017716?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cc10ee974

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I am even considering this design but in a smaller scale i like the idea of an open shallow tank as well

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/18x18x6-3-8-Acrylic-AIO-frag-tank-black-bottom-/260937017716?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cc10ee974

 

That's actually the position I had in mind for the DIY AIO filtration I'm looking at doing. Except in that design he has a tiny little designated surface skimming area. My design will intake whole top area and return to the tank near the bottom. Like a stack...

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Mmmm...

 

So i was thinking I have three options in mind to start off with my pico tank I am in AUS so no to sure if i would be able to get the second option...

 

1. SKIMZ Ibox

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Aquarium-Fish-T...=item3a65c627bf[/

 

2. CADLIGHTS 4G

http://www.cadlights.com/index.php?main_pa...products_id=183

 

3. Build my own all in one Pico Tank with built in filter system like the two tanks above

 

I'd really appreciate your input thanks guys

 

 

 

 

HOLY #### thats expensive! yeah i would build your own tank, my homemade 10.2gallon (links in my signature) cost me all of $20 worth of materials and $8 for a drill bit to cut the holes for the pumps

 

The second tank from cadlights doesnt seem too bad a deal because it comes with the nice LED light, though i don't think it is PAR type LED's with optics, i think they are just your run of the mill LED's which are no good for reef tanks. and 3/8" thick glass is kindof overkill in such a small tank, 3/16 would have sufficed with a great safety factor, starfire glass is expensive enough.

 

i have another project almost exactly like the one in the ad picture mocked up in my basement for like $10 in materials. so i would definately built it yourself and do a DIY LED light setup from rapidLED, that would probably be your best bet. Can't wait to see what you come up with, A DIY tank i have found to be much more rewarding than a store bought anyway, it just makes it more special to build it yourself ;)

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HOLY #### thats expensive! yeah i would build your own tank, my homemade 10.2gallon (links in my signature) cost me all of $20 worth of materials and $8 for a drill bit to cut the holes for the pumps

 

The second tank from cadlights doesnt seem too bad a deal because it comes with the nice LED light, though i don't think it is PAR type LED's with optics, i think they are just your run of the mill LED's which are no good for reef tanks. and 3/8" thick glass is kindof overkill in such a small tank, 3/16 would have sufficed with a great safety factor, starfire glass is expensive enough.

 

i have another project almost exactly like the one in the ad picture mocked up in my basement for like $10 in materials. so i would definately built it yourself and do a DIY LED light setup from rapidLED, that would probably be your best bet. Can't wait to see what you come up with, A DIY tank i have found to be much more rewarding than a store bought anyway, it just makes it more special to build it yourself ;)

 

 

I have many ideas i will keep you posted in the next couple of days for sure just need to do a bit more research on lighting, pumps, skimmers etc.

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I have many ideas i will keep you posted in the next couple of days for sure just need to do a bit more research on lighting, pumps, skimmers etc.

 

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I am Thinking 3 Blue $6.99EA

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gu10-3X1W-High-Pow...=item1c22da7ce0

 

1 Red $7.40EA

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gu10-3X1W-High-Pow...=item19c8896e9a

 

And 3 White $6.99EA.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Alienwork-LED-Bulb...=item84b9a686a2

 

 

 

and i will just need my sockets which are... $7.14 for 10

http://www.ebay.com/itm/10x-GU10-Base-Sock...=item2c5d6b9188

 

2 PC Fans to keep it cool $10EA

http://www.ebay.com/itm/40mm-x-10mm-New-Ca...=item2a188d876c

 

Which so far comes to a total of $76.48 for my lighting and cooling system.

 

Also could you please let me know what you think about the red light and why they use red lights these days cheers.

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I don't think 1W LEDS will have enough penetrating power for good coral growth.... unless your tank is something like 12inches deep or less. Maybe softies and LPS might do ok... but SPS i'd be very skeptical.

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I am Thinking 3 Blue $6.99EA

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gu10-3X1W-High-Pow...=item1c22da7ce0

 

1 Red $7.40EA

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gu10-3X1W-High-Pow...=item19c8896e9a

 

And 3 White $6.99EA.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Alienwork-LED-Bulb...=item84b9a686a2

 

 

 

and i will just need my sockets which are... $7.14 for 10

http://www.ebay.com/itm/10x-GU10-Base-Sock...=item2c5d6b9188

 

2 PC Fans to keep it cool $10EA

http://www.ebay.com/itm/40mm-x-10mm-New-Ca...=item2a188d876c

 

Which so far comes to a total of $76.48 for my lighting and cooling system.

 

Also could you please let me know what you think about the red light and why they use red lights these days cheers.

 

the red is to bring out reds and oranges in corals, more aesthetic than anything PAR is whats important

 

I tend to shy away from ebay stuff, i have had bad experiences with thinking im getting a good deal, and well we won't go there.

 

take a look at this setup for a 30cmW X 25cmT X 25cmD pico

Prices are in american dollars, i put i put a conversion to AUS dollars next to it, try this

 

http://www.rapidled.com/servlet/the-222/12...Retrofit/Detail

$95.00 AUS 90.73

 

http://www.rapidled.com/servlet/the-81/Dri...-4.25%22/Detail

$22.00 AUS 21.01

 

total cost of plug and play kit $117.00 AUS 111.74

 

i know it's a bit more expensive, but it's solderless and all top quality parts including CREE LEDs

 

i just hate to see you get jipped by some chinese vendor selling no brand stuff on ebay. It's entirely up to you though

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the red is to bring out reds and oranges in corals, more aesthetic than anything PAR is whats important

 

I tend to shy away from ebay stuff, i have had bad experiences with thinking im getting a good deal, and well we won't go there.

 

take a look at this setup for a 30cmW X 25cmT X 25cmD pico

Prices are in american dollars, i put i put a conversion to AUS dollars next to it, try this

 

http://www.rapidled.com/servlet/the-222/12...Retrofit/Detail

$95.00 AUS 90.73

 

http://www.rapidled.com/servlet/the-81/Dri...-4.25%22/Detail

$22.00 AUS 21.01

 

total cost of plug and play kit $117.00 AUS 111.74

 

i know it's a bit more expensive, but it's solderless and all top quality parts including CREE LEDs

 

i just hate to see you get jipped by some chinese vendor selling no brand stuff on ebay. It's entirely up to you though

 

 

Thanks heaps i really appreciate all your help with my build i have been really busy at the moment and haven't had a chance to look up prices for acrylic and i also wanted to do this tank a shallow setup say 20cmtall X 40cmW X 20-30cm deep

 

I think I might just go with the rapidled setup it is easy enough although i am an electrician myself and soldering doesnt bother me much

 

do you guys have any ideas on fan cooling systems i wanted to have fans built in as well

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Just looked at the rapidled site and I just found the fan kits on there is there any other sites that you guys use for supplies?

 

Also what height should i have the lights above the water?

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Just looked at the rapidled site and I just found the fan kits on there is there any other sites that you guys use for supplies?

 

Also what height should i have the lights above the water?

 

as close as you want - LEDs dont heat the surface like other types of lighting - you can even have them 20-30 cm above and that is fine too cause they dont lose lotsa intensity due to scatter cause that are a directed light source.

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as close as you want - LEDs dont heat the surface like other types of lighting - you can even have them 20-30 cm above and that is fine too cause they dont lose lotsa intensity due to scatter cause that are a directed light source.

 

It depends on the optic lenses you get for the LED's, they will direct the light more, if it's a shallow tank and you plan on having the LED's close to the tank, i would go with CREE 80degree lenses, they will spread the light more over the tank, the tank is shallow so you won't need to worry about penetration and PAR loss.

 

If you want the lights high up above the tank (a few feet {a meter or more} up then shallow angle (65, 55, or 40 degree) lenses will focus the light more giving better intensity but you may get a spotlight effect.

 

as for the fan, make a simple canopy to hang over the tank with the heatsink mounted in and have your fan blowing crosswise, along the fins of the heatsink, (not across), and out a vent on the other side (you may wish to put a dust filter on under the fan, dust will lower your heatsinks ability to cool.

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as close as you want - LEDs dont heat the surface like other types of lighting - you can even have them 20-30 cm above and that is fine too cause they dont lose lotsa intensity due to scatter cause that are a directed light source.

 

 

What optics should i go for i know the higher degrees the wider spread light but what is good for a fish tank i know in a house its the wider spread of light the better is it the same case in fish tanks?

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DIY Cube Nano Man

Read fearlessmoto's response above - he pretty much sums it all up. If you have an old protractor from school handy and a tape measure you could trace down from the proposed position of your light fixture to the tank base to get a rough idea where different spreads of light will travel to.

 

If it was me personally I would chose maybe an LED with a narrower spread (40-55 deg) especially for rectangular Nano's under 20G because they wont require a great deal of spread to cover the entire tank down to the bottom - even if its hung just a few inches off the water. You can always raise it higher later if you don't feel its covering the tank enough.... if you go the other way round its more difficult to get it closer to the water if you choose one with too wide of a light spread... Hope that helps.

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Ok,

 

So here is the tank that I have decided to use and build an AIO filter only problem is how will i drill my holes???

 

You can see in the picture with the 35g glue stick next to it that it isn't much bigger at all i haven't worked out how many G it is but I'm guessing 1.25G rough estimate...

 

The Plastic container next to it in the other photo is what i am going to cut to size and use as my filter media pump and heater storage which will be siliconed to the back of the tank.

 

So far...

 

Tank=$15

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Ok So I bought my 25W heater today cost me $21.95 and my coral sand $24.95 for 5KG

 

I am thinking to use this aqua one 200 hang on filter which pumps 290l/ph what do you guys think i should do in regards too filtration?

 

Ok So I bought my 25W heater today cost me $21.95 and my coral sand $24.95 for 5KG

 

I am thinking to use this aqua one 200 hang on filter which pumps 290l/ph what do you guys think i should do in regards too filtration?

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