we need to do something guys and gals

[splinter492]

Reef conservation video

 

ladies and gents we NEED to do something about this problem if we want this hobby and trade to survive for our children and grandchildren

[ThePhilosopher]

I'm not as worried for our hobby as much as I'm worried for what's actually out there and probably will not be in a few years.

[Formula462]

Hurricanes destroy more reefs than fishing and tourism combined... I guess we should get cracking on a weather control device so we can stop those pesky storms from happening in the first place. Let's not forget the whole Crown of Thorns Starfish argument. We got all butt hurt and worried about the reefs then and lookie what happened, nature fixed itself. Mother Earth owns us, not the other way around. If we are really doing that much to destroy it, it would have flattened us all with a virus/some other phenomena by now.

 

Oh and peeps don't forget to charge your electric cars tonight by plugging it into a wall socket that is powered by....coal burning.

[kevlow]

Hurricanes destroy more reefs than fishing and tourism combined... I guess we should get cracking on a weather control device so we can stop those pesky storms from happening in the first place. Let's not forget the whole Crown of Thorns Starfish argument. We got all butt hurt and worried about the reefs then and lookie what happened, nature fixed itself. Mother Earth owns us, not the other way around. If we are really doing that much to destroy it, it would have flattened us all with a virus/some other phenomena by now.

 

Oh and peeps don't forget to charge your electric cars tonight by plugging it into a wall socket that is powered by....coal burning.

 

 

agreed

[pismo_reefer]

Fwiw.... we do control the waether, to a certain extent.....

 

I got the the chance to talk to an Air Force scientist.

One of those "genius" type guy's.

 

He told me this whole story about how we control the atmospheric pressure,

by dumping loads of silicate dust into jet exhaust.

 

Those huuuuuuge white lines you see trailing behind jets, are actually the lingering silicate dust cloud.

It eventually spreads out, and reflects sunlight back up....

This makes whatever area's they dump it into, into "cold fronts".

 

Make enough cold front's, you get a layer.

Make enough layers, you can change the weather.....

 

 

You can believe it, or forget I ever said it.

Either way... It happens every day.

 

 

 

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But, yea.... The reef's will be fine.

[najluni15]

Hey all,

 

I am an environmental science major and have researched how we are affecting coral reefs, as naturally, I am most interested in the subject. My concentration is in water resources and it is appalling to learn about the things that humans do to the most important resource behind air. Raising water temperatures and water pollution are some of the most destructive forces on our oceans. The ways in which many people around the world fish is also amazingly destructive to coral reefs. Trawlers drag near the bottom of the reef and leave paths of ravaged ocean bottom. Corals, fish, turtles and all other creatures get crushed and caught up in the trawling lines. I am an avid fisherman and I still see how destructive fishing practices can be. It is up to the community as a whole, not just reefers, not just fishermen, not just hippies and environmental gurus to make the changes that will start to help the Earth's oceans. It is true that the Earth can cause much more immediate damage than humans can in the form of tsunamis, hurricans, and La Nina events, but the impacts that humans have on the oceans make it ever more difficult for the Earth to correct itself after these events. Within the next 50 years it is expected that all coral reefs on the Earth could disapear. There are massive die offs and bleaching events on many of the coral reefs in the Carribbean and South Pacific, and these events will spread to other regions with more healthy reefs such as the Great Barrier reef and the Phillipines.

 

Try to pay attention to what you do everyday to stem the effects we have on the oceans. The biggest thing we can do to help is to prevent pollution. Dont throw toxics down the nearest storm drain (they do NOT get filtered out before leaving the sewer plants, stormwater is NOT treated, I work at a treatment plant) and do not waste potable water.

 

Hopefully we can make the difference and help the world's governments fix the problems we have created.

 

Thanks,

[ednangel]

Hey all,

 

I am an environmental science major and have researched how we are affecting coral reefs, as naturally, I am most interested in the subject. My concentration is in water resources and it is appalling to learn about the things that humans do to the most important resource behind air. Raising water temperatures and water pollution are some of the most destructive forces on our oceans. The ways in which many people around the world fish is also amazingly destructive to coral reefs. Trawlers drag near the bottom of the reef and leave paths of ravaged ocean bottom. Corals, fish, turtles and all other creatures get crushed and caught up in the trawling lines. I am an avid fisherman and I still see how destructive fishing practices can be. It is up to the community as a whole, not just reefers, not just fishermen, not just hippies and environmental gurus to make the changes that will start to help the Earth's oceans. It is true that the Earth can cause much more immediate damage than humans can in the form of tsunamis, hurricans, and La Nina events, but the impacts that humans have on the oceans make it ever more difficult for the Earth to correct itself after these events. Within the next 50 years it is expected that all coral reefs on the Earth could disapear. There are massive die offs and bleaching events on many of the coral reefs in the Carribbean and South Pacific, and these events will spread to other regions with more healthy reefs such as the Great Barrier reef and the Phillipines.

 

Try to pay attention to what you do everyday to stem the effects we have on the oceans. The biggest thing we can do to help is to prevent pollution. Dont throw toxics down the nearest storm drain (they do NOT get filtered out before leaving the sewer plants, stormwater is NOT treated, I work at a treatment plant) and do not waste potable water.

 

Hopefully we can make the difference and help the world's governments fix the problems we have created.

 

Thanks,

 

 

Sorry don’t expect big change to happen here in America. Most Americans don't care or are uneducated enough to be manipulated by media and politicians into believing everything is ok. Lots of people in N_R don't believe their actions affect the world around them or simply don’t care.

 

Thanks for sharing; hopefully we'll never get to see a coral-less ocean.

 

P.S. Before you guys start bashing me, born and raise American and not going anywhere.

[FlCandy]

This is why I started a reef tank. SO if there is a lack of corals, fish and reefs in the ocean my kids will still be able to appreciate the beauty and learn about them. Hey it may help to mold the next generation to be smarter and more careful with what they dump.

 

Sorry guys the truth is there is not going to be any quick fix. Most people are too stuck in their ways to change, and your trying to get a whole nation/world to change it's views quickly, it will never happen. I watched this show called IMAX Coral Reef Adventure and it explained all this and why the reefs are dying. It's not just warming of the water, it's also silt from rivers that covers and suffocates them.

 

Really neat VID but not the most informative re the reef, just whats killing it, and all of the reefs around the world actually.

[najluni15]

Sorry don’t expect big change to happen here in America. Most Americans don't care or are uneducated enough to be manipulated by media and politicians into believing everything is ok. Lots of people in N_R don't believe their actions affect the world around them or simply don’t care.

 

Thanks for sharing; hopefully we'll never get to see a coral-less ocean.

 

P.S. Before you guys start bashing me, born and raise American and not going anywhere.

 

Im not trying to bash anyone. I am American, born and raised in the Bay Area. I drive a truch, fish, hunt and reef. (quite a contradiction from my environmental studies background) I plan on being involved in water resource management when I am done with law school and want to help make that change in America. There are some programs aimed at controlling discharge into the ocean, and that protect reefs in US waters. Its the ways in which we do things that is harming the ocean. Its a matter of education, like you said.

 

Hopefully we will get some change to protect our resources.

 

This is why I started a reef tank. SO if there is a lack of corals, fish and reefs in the ocean my kids will still be able to appreciate the beauty and learn about them. Hey it may help to mold the next generation to be smarter and more careful with what they dump.

 

Sorry guys the truth is there is not going to be any quick fix. Most people are too stuck in their ways to change, and your trying to get a whole nation/world to change it's views quickly, it will never happen. I watched this show called IMAX Coral Reef Adventure and it explained all this and why the reefs are dying. It's not just warming of the water, it's also silt from rivers that covers and suffocates them.

 

Really neat VID but not the most informative re the reef, just whats killing it, and all of the reefs around the world actually.

 

Theres some really neat shows on netflix about reefs. If you just search coral reefs they will come up. My gf and I watched all of them.

[FlCandy]

I have probably seen them all the Hubby got this one and we watched it expecting to see some beautiful reefs but instead it is a documentary about dying reefs.

 

If you do watch it, we are not killing the reefs with just dumping, there is silt coming out of the river mouths and covering whole reefs because of development along the coast and destruction of the mangroves. This is what they found to be the major cause of coral death, not the raise in temps, even though it did affect some, but the reefs they explored were completely covered in silt, there was no life and everything was gray and dead.

 

Just watch it guys may change your views. It may be easier to plant mangroves then to change the views on the water shed stuff. I think we should tackle the stuff that can be prevented like erosion and silt and then go for the big stuff. At least then it would be a start.

 

 

Plant a Mangrove guys!

[JaneG]

Hurricanes destroy more reefs than fishing and tourism combined... I guess we should get cracking on a weather control device so we can stop those pesky storms from happening in the first place. Let's not forget the whole Crown of Thorns Starfish argument. We got all butt hurt and worried about the reefs then and lookie what happened, nature fixed itself. Mother Earth owns us, not the other way around. If we are really doing that much to destroy it, it would have flattened us all with a virus/some other phenomena by now.

 

Oh and peeps don't forget to charge your electric cars tonight by plugging it into a wall socket that is powered by....coal burning.

Mother nature doesn't automatically "fix" problems. I think human impact on the issue is exaggerated, but it's still there. Keeping this kind of attitude ("let's keep doing what we're doing") is what has caused the extinction of countless species such as dodo birds and Tasmanian tigers. Also, I don't know what you're talking about in regards to the Crown-of-thorns starfish, because the threat (although more of a supplemental threat) is still there.

[FlCandy]

Mother nature doesn't automatically "fix" problems. I think human impact on the issue is exaggerated, but it's still there. Keeping this kind of attitude ("let's keep doing what we're doing") is what caused the extinction of many species such as dodo birds and Tasmanian tigers.

 

They had to go to an island and hunt them. It was sailors that did that and that was before anyone could say anything to stop them. They were easy to catch and keep alive because they couldn't fly and they were a stop on the way usually.

It's sad but I know there are things we can do, start with the easy to change things like erosion (plant a mangrove) and then work your way up to changing the world. People don't like change and fight it even if it is for their best interests you usually have to trick someone into changing a habit or way of life.

[JaneG]

They had to go to an island and hunt them. It was sailors that did that and that was before anyone could say anything to stop them. They were easy to catch and keep alive because they couldn't fly and they were a stop on the way usually.

It's sad but I know there are things we can do, start with the easy to change things like erosion (plant a mangrove) and then work your way up to changing the world. People don't like change and fight it even if it is for their best interests you usually have to trick someone into changing a habit or way of life.

My point about the dodo birds was that humans do have an impact on the environment. If "Mother Earth" fixed all problems, the species would still exist, but human populations were the direct cause of their extinction. I agree that we should get involved, but unfortunately I don't think anyone is going to (or has a strong enough drive to do so). Whenever people talk about "saving the environment," the same solution is given every time: switch to fluorescent light bulbs. Unfortunately, these kinds of solutions (small changes) won't work in the long term (and that includes this situation).

[FlCandy]

Yep got that, and when people realized they were doing this to animals they stopped.

 

What about the American Mustang, Bald Eagle, and Panther and cougars? They have stopped that, there has to be a TON of counts taken and years of documented research done before you can get any support.

 

So my point was why don't people do what they can until we can get the Govt. to change it? Plant a mangrove and try to stop erosion on the rivers so we don't cover our reefs in dust? Would cost everyone the $$$ of a tree.

[JaneG]

Yep got that, and when people realized they were doing this to animals they stopped.

 

What about the American Mustang, Bald Eagle, and Panther and cougars? They have stopped that, there has to be a TON of counts taken and years of documented research done before you can get any support.

 

So my point was why don't people do what they can until we can get the Govt. to change it? Plant a mangrove and try to stop erosion on the rivers so we don't cover our reefs in dust? Would cost everyone the $$$ of a tree.

I agree with you about doing small changes. However, like I stated earlier, I don't think anybody has the drive to do so- there's too much talk and not enough action. Have you personally done anything to save the reefs? I know I haven't, and I'm sure that's true of almost anyone who posts on this thread.

[FlCandy]

I agree with you about doing small changes. However, like I stated earlier, I don't think anybody has the drive to do so- there's too much talk and not enough action. Have you personally done anything? I know I haven't, and I'm sure that's true of almost anyone who posts on this thread.

 

 

Yes I have I have planted Mangroves, (I live in FL) and I have adopted humpback whales and manatees. And a friend of mine works for Fish and Game.

 

What have you done?

[JaneG]

Yes I have I have planted Mangroves, (I live in FL) and I have adopted humpback whales and manatees. And a friend of mine works for Fish and Game.

 

What have you done?

I already stated: I haven't done anything directly. The key word here is directly. Only 6% of the US population lives in Florida: we can't all plant mangrove trees and call it good. There are over 60000 square miles of mangrove forests in the world today- unfortunately, planting a few and donating some money isn't going to make it or break it for the coral reefs. We need larger changes if anything's going to happen. As I stated in my first post, humans do have a large affect on our environment: anyone who disagrees with that statement should check out this study from the University of Bristol.

[FlCandy]

Then why did you ask?

 

Not worth it, again as like I said people don't want to listen.

 

This is why I watch my local reefs, which BTW live in very warm waters over 80 degrees most of the year. So warming shouldn't be the first concern.

 

I posted something for you guys to watch after you watch it then you will see what I mean.

 

I have had an obsession with the ocean sine I was a kid and have done nothing but watch/read about it since. Just can't make any $$$ unless you work for the Govt. or Sea World and neither are hiring, so I am a vet Tech.

 

Have fun everyone I am done with this thread, just like everyone keeps posting it is impossible to change a whole race's views, and you can't inform anyone who doesn't want to be informed.

 

And BTW there is the Gulf coast which covers over 5 states and then Cali and etc. SO no not just 6% of the population can do this.

[d9hp]

I was hoping this was a thread about the tweens on N-R.com...

[FlCandy]

I was hoping this was a thread about the tweens on N-R.com...

 

 

+1

 

no turned into an environmental debate on what to do....

[Formula462]

Fwiw.... we do control the waether, to a certain extent.....

 

I got the the chance to talk to an Air Force scientist.

One of those "genius" type guy's.

 

He told me this whole story about how we control the atmospheric pressure,

by dumping loads of silicate dust into jet exhaust.

 

Those huuuuuuge white lines you see trailing behind jets, are actually the lingering silicate dust cloud.

It eventually spreads out, and reflects sunlight back up....

This makes whatever area's they dump it into, into "cold fronts".

 

Make enough cold front's, you get a layer.

Make enough layers, you can change the weather.....

 

 

You can believe it, or forget I ever said it.

Either way... It happens every day.

 

 

 

------------------

 

But, yea.... The reef's will be fine.

 

 

Oh no, not the chem-trail theory again.

[najluni15]

Starting with small stuff is always the best way to fix problems. Once we are able to fix the small problems and we recognize the larger problems, the larger problems are easier to fix. Erosion and siltation ARE one of the leading causes to coral reef collapse, and it is relatively easy to fix those sources of pollution. In the Bay Area there are large movements to help prevent unnatural erosion. Erosion is a natural component of the ecosystem, but urban development increases the rate of erosion. All the problems in the ocean are in one way or another connected. Once again, education and taking small scale action, such as working on coastal cleanup days (like today) and planting a mangrove or removing non native vegetation will help the coral reefs and more importantly, the Earth's environment as a whole. For the past 200 years humans have thought of themselves as seperate from the Environment, when really we are a part of it and have the greatest influence on it compared with any other species.

 

Yeah, not to bash on anyone, but the chem trail theory is NOT true. Not everything is a conspiracy people.....

[JaneG]

Then why did you ask?

 

Not worth it, again as like I said people don't want to listen.

I was referring to the fact that there has been a lot of talk and little action in regards to conservation. I think there's been a misunderstanding: I'm agreeing with you- the public doesn't want to listen (or doesn't care) about the reef epidemic. Again, there are over 60000 square miles of mangrove forests in the world. If everyone planted one, there might be an impact, but if only a few people did, there most likely wouldn't be any. My point is that small changes are only going to work if everyone makes small changes. However, since the public doesn't have enough care for that, it won't work- only big changes (ex. governmental) or going to work in the long term. I'm not being anti-conservation, I'm just being realistic here. We aren't going to stop global warming by driving to the store in Hummers to pick up fluorescent bulbs- nor are we going to save the coral reefs by preaching about "educating about the reefs" and then taking livestock from them.

 

+1

 

no turned into an environmental debate on what to do....

Remember: there are always two people in a debate.

 

I was hoping this was a thread about the tweens on N-R.com...

Throwing in a comment as OT and useless as this is more immature than having a discussion/debate on an opinionated issue.

[jeremai]

Reef conservation video

 

ladies and gents we NEED to do something about this problem if we want this hobby and trade to survive for our children and grandchildren

delicious irony. seriously, that sentence is a work of art. bravo, my friend.

 

bravo.

[ThePhilosopher]

Oh no, not the chem-trail theory again.

Science points towards humans causing dramatic changes in the atmosphere. A lot of work goes into establishing a theory, too. Gravity and evolution are still theories, and yet they're still widely accepted as the truth. Your point?