Deleted User 6 Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 The purpose of this tank is to focus on mutual and commensal symbiotic relationships. I plan to have a goby/pistol shrimp pair, sexy shrimp with ricordias or mini carpet nems, a small christmas tree worm rock, and perhaps a small acropora crab. Corals will be primarily SPS with some zoos/rics for color value. For those interested in the building of this tank, check here. Tank Specs: Display Tank: 9g Starfire w/ custom foam rock wall Fuge: 10g standard Skimmer: AquaC Remora w/ MJ1200 Lighting: 150w MH Retro in custom hood w/ 14k Phoenix bulb Filtration: 11 lbs. SeaLife Inc. rock arriving 3/17/09 in fuge Flow: MJ600, Mag 5 Return, Koralia Nano Stocking: Reefcleaners CUC: Ceriths, Periwinkles, Limpets, Chiton, Red Mangroves, chaeto, shaving brush Current FTS (5/27/09): Link to comment
Mr. Fosi Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 Not to crash the tread right after the first post but... A "symbiotic" relationship is not necessarily one that benefits both parties. That type of relationship is called a "mutualism". There are at least two other kinds of symbioses: commensalism and parasitism. Perhaps a better title would be "Dhaut's Mutualism Microcosm". Link to comment
Deleted User 6 Posted March 14, 2009 Author Share Posted March 14, 2009 Not to crash the tread right after the first post but... A "symbiotic" relationship is not necessarily one that benefits both parties. That type of relationship is called a "mutualism". There are at least two other kinds of symbioses: commensalism and parasitism. Perhaps a better title would be "Dhaut's Mutualism Microcosm". Way to crash it right after the first post. Fine fine. I'll go with mutualism. Any other small mutual symbioses that I may have overlooked? Sexy shrimp would be a commensal relationship with the anemone/coral they inhabit, correct? I also want a pom pom crab, but I'm not sure if one would be ok in a 9g with all the SPS. Link to comment
miniwhinny Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 Gonna be watching Love your rock wall. Link to comment
Deleted User 6 Posted March 14, 2009 Author Share Posted March 14, 2009 Gonna be watching Love your rock wall. Thanks! Link to comment
weeber Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 For the shrimp goby pair get a yasha and randal's pistol pair or a dracula randal's pair Link to comment
Mr. Fosi Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 Any other small mutual symbioses that I may have overlooked? You and the tank. Link to comment
Paleoreef103 Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 Awesome idea! I have a degree in zoology and I am shocked I didn't think of this idea. I will be tagging along. Link to comment
lakshwadeep Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 There are other commensal species for anemones you could choose from, such as anemone shrimp and porcellain crabs. Some more symbiotic partnerships: zoanthids+sponges pom pom crab anemone hermit crab staghorn hermit crab sponge crab Link to comment
Deleted User 6 Posted March 15, 2009 Author Share Posted March 15, 2009 You and the tank. I totally thought about that after I posted earlier, lol! And in reality, every coral I put in there that contains zooxanthellae is a mutualistic relationship. There are other commensal species for anemones you could choose from, such as anemone shrimp and porcellain crabs. Some more symbiotic partnerships: zoanthids+sponges pom pom crab anemone hermit crab staghorn hermit crab sponge crab Nice list! I'm still considering a pom pom crab. Given the limited space in the tank, I'm concerned about putting something in there that could sting the other corals. What zoanthids form partnerships with sponges? Never seen that. Link to comment
wombat Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 How many gallons is that tank? Hard to tell. These would be suitable for large-ish tanks, but hopefully it gives you some ideas... If you have ever had the opportunity to see a Tridacnid commensal shrimp it is one of the neatest relationships ever. They constantly go in and out of the siphon, and the clam doesn't flinch a bit... Urchin clingfish and urchin would be another good one. Link to comment
Deleted User 6 Posted March 17, 2009 Author Share Posted March 17, 2009 Sweet! The tank is only 9 gallons, unfortunately. As it evolves though I'll keep that in mind. I do plan to get a clam in about a year though - where would I get the accompanying shrimp? I love the clingfish/urchin idea - I wish I had the room! Link to comment
Deleted User 6 Posted March 17, 2009 Author Share Posted March 17, 2009 Already found a starfish, some tiny crabs, lots of bristleworms, and a small yellow nudi of some sort. Not to mention all the algae! Link to comment
Atari Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Thats some good looking rock. I'm glad to see it in there, but I bet not 1/2 as glad as you are... Are you just using it to seed the fake rock in the display? Link to comment
Mr. Fosi Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Looks awesome! Will you be doing anything to preserve the life on the rock? Link to comment
Deleted User 6 Posted March 17, 2009 Author Share Posted March 17, 2009 Thats some good looking rock. I'm glad to see it in there, but I bet not 1/2 as glad as you are...Are you just using it to seed the fake rock in the display? The rock in the display is already seeded. I ran a full cycle before this one with a couple smaller pieces of rock. This rock is the primary filtration and comes with tons of algae that should help cut down on nitrates. Plus, I wanted a fuge that I could have just as much fun watching as the display Looks awesome! Will you be doing anything to preserve the life on the rock? Already soft cycling. I've got lots of saltwater ready to go and the skimmer is doing the best it can. Link to comment
Mr. Fosi Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Sounds great! It's going to be fun to watch it shape up. Link to comment
Atari Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Plus, I wanted a fuge that I could have just as much fun watching as the display like this? http://www.nano-reef.com/forums/index.php?...560&hl=fuge Link to comment
Deleted User 6 Posted March 17, 2009 Author Share Posted March 17, 2009 like this?http://www.nano-reef.com/forums/index.php?...560&hl=fuge Exactly, lol Link to comment
Gerber77 Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 on those rocks, this is gonna be sweet Link to comment
Deleted User 6 Posted March 17, 2009 Author Share Posted March 17, 2009 on those rocks, this is gonna be sweet Thanks! I'm stoked. Link to comment
Deleted User 6 Posted March 17, 2009 Author Share Posted March 17, 2009 More rock pics! A cool blue hitchhiker - not sure what it is. Link to comment
dahliaheartsyou Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 aw, NICE rocks! they are so colorful!!! and looks like you got some codium! my favorite macro algae, it looks so plump and fuzzy Link to comment
Atari Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 I'm only getting the first of the 4. Link to comment
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