xilez Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Currently dealing with some umbrella like Magicians... anyone seen this before/know a cause? Parameters are all in check Here's what they do now during daylights This is what they look like once moonlight cuts on This was them a couple weeks ago Any ideas? Should do a coral dip just cause? Link to comment
ReefWeeds Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 They look like they might be melting. What kind of light do you have hem in? What iare your nitrate, phosphate, calcium and alkalinity readings? What do you feed the tank? Link to comment
xilez Posted January 12, 2017 Author Share Posted January 12, 2017 Parameters are all fine/nothing alarming. Alk around 8.5. They are under a marine orbit base model. The umbrella phase is really a matter of the past 2 weeks. They actually started as 2 polyps and have grown pretty good. I would say they have been in the tank a little over 2 months, and nothing really changed with the light setting since then. Anything to prevent melting? Coral dip and maybe move to sand bed in shade? Link to comment
Mariaface Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Define 'fine' and 'not alarming'? Do you have fluctuations throughout the day or between water changes? Do you replenish carbon filtration regularly enough to keep up with any allelopathy that may be happening? Link to comment
xilez Posted January 12, 2017 Author Share Posted January 12, 2017 Nit: 0 Phos: 0 Alk: 8.5 Cal: 410 Have been using Chemipure, bag was a little over 3 months old, removed it 2 days ago to test how SPS do without it. Link to comment
Mariaface Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 After a couple/few weeks, bacterial film covers the pores in filtration media like carbon/gfo and more or less renders it useless (except for the bacterial filtration). Adsorption also slows down after the initial addition of the media. Maybe toxins from coral warfare have been building up since? What are you testing nitrate and phosphate with? If they're actually zero, those are very low nutrients. Your lights might be high in comparison, especially in such a shallow tank. What's the water change schedule on this tank? What and how much/often do you feed? Link to comment
xilez Posted January 12, 2017 Author Share Posted January 12, 2017 Feed zooplanktos-m every couple of days, reef chili every few days, shrimp or pellets every day/other day. And yes, I know my system would be considered ULR - note: these are the only zoas affected (many other named zoanthids in close proximity doing well). Protein Skimmer and Filter floss, removed 3 month old back of Chemipure 2 days ago during water change. Nit: API Phos: Hanna ULR Alk: Hanna and Red Sea CaL: Red Sea Weekly water changes From what I have seen, a peroxide dip might help alleviate them if its a fungal issue. I typically dose a small amount of Vibrant once a week as general maintenance, maybe I will stop this to see if it has an effect? Also contemplating Vit C dosing as general maintenance once a week as well. I know there are cases of some zoas/palys just not doing well in certain systems, but ideally, I try all I can to see if I can get them to bounce back. Link to comment
Clown79 Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Chemipures don't last as long as stated. Its more affordable to purchase a good carbon like Matrix or Kent and change it out every 3 weeks. Rinse the bag weekly. Your nutrients are low, that may be the cause of the zoas not doing so great or chemicals from other corals(carbon at 3 mnths old won't help reduce them) I wouldn't peroxide dip them if you don't see anything on them. I would do a coral dip and possibly lower them from the light. Dosing vitamins can be an issue, if you can't test it, don't dose it. Link to comment
xilez Posted January 12, 2017 Author Share Posted January 12, 2017 chemicals from other corals(carbon at 3 mnths old won't help reduce them) Is there a reason this only affecting 1 out of 12 colonies of zoas? All euphyllia, plates, SPS, rics/yumas are also unaffected. Link to comment
ninjamyst Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 mine do that from time to time. Link to comment
Droy008 Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Did you dip the frag prior to putting it in the tank? If not, they could be hosting a pest of some form. On the other hand I've seen a couple of mine act the same way for a few days, then all of a sudden be fine. Zoas/palys can be weird... Also as for peroxide dipping. I've had close to 75% success with it. The other 25% the zoa completely melted. Link to comment
Clown79 Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Zoas like nutrients so can act off if there is a lack. Also if they are in too high of light can act weird too. Link to comment
xilez Posted January 13, 2017 Author Share Posted January 13, 2017 Thanks for all the input everyone, after a day of research... I am going to try dos Vit C and see what happens. Will post updates! Link to comment
xilez Posted January 16, 2017 Author Share Posted January 16, 2017 Zoas started to look worse and melting away, did a peroxide dip today...hope they recover. Link to comment
Clown79 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Are they in high light? Link to comment
xilez Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 Were they? Maybe (depends on your definition of high light). Currently, they are down on the sandbed. Not much improvement 2 days after peroxide dip, although all other zoas are noticeably fuller since I began vit C dosing. Link to comment
gonebad395 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 I have heard if you are going to use vitamin c make sure you have a skimmer. I've never dosed it but reading on it a skimmer is important. Link to comment
Clown79 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 If there was nothing on the zoas, I don't see how peroxide would help. Melting zoas could be too much light, too little nutrients, zoa pox(peroxide won't help) Too much light, not all zoas like being in direct light or in high light areas. Some do better in moderate light. Link to comment
burtbollinger Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 be careful with vitamin c. i dosed on an old tank and spiked alk. to 15... Link to comment
xilez Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 I have heard if you are going to use vitamin c make sure you have a skimmer. I've never dosed it but reading on it a skimmer is important. I have heard this as well, i typically have skimmer running mostly 24/7 so I am covered there. If there was nothing on the zoas, I don't see how peroxide would help. Melting zoas could be too much light, too little nutrients, zoa pox(peroxide won't help) Too much light, not all zoas like being in direct light or in high light areas. Some do better in moderate light. These are all fair points, and all things I have considered. However, all other zoas are thriving, in similar flow and lighting, with only the magicians showing issues (common issue of magicians from my research). be careful with vitamin c. i dosed on an old tank and spiked alk. to 15... Noted. I'm using Brightwells version, which is fairly diluted, and dosing only 1-2 times a week. Ill be sure to keep an eye out on the Alk though! Thanks. Link to comment
burtbollinger Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 I have heard this as well, i typically have skimmer running mostly 24/7 so I am covered there. These are all fair points, and all things I have considered. However, all other zoas are thriving, in similar flow and lighting, with only the magicians showing issues (common issue of magicians from my research). Noted. I'm using Brightwells version, which is fairly diluted, and dosing only 1-2 times a week. Ill be sure to keep an eye out on the Alk though! Thanks. I was using from a health foods store....things have probably changed since I was doing it Link to comment
xilez Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 I was using from a health foods store....things have probably changed since I was doing it Yeah I have read into the powder stuff, but didn't feel like having measure out certain weights and possibly adding PH buffers etc... From what I have seen most people havn't had issues with Brightwell Vit-C, but I will monitor alk just to see. Link to comment
xilez Posted January 18, 2017 Author Share Posted January 18, 2017 Worth mentioning that Magicians are some of the highest melt rates voted over at R2R. Multiple people have had issues of them melting 2 or 3 times, or melting the first time and then thriving the second time around. Link to comment
Clown79 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 I had the sane issue with fire and ice. All others were fine. Link to comment
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