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Hi guys,

 

Before anything, I would like to let you all know this is my first post. I have a tremendous respect for all the dedicated nano-reefers here and the wealth of knowledge being passed on. With that said, I've been doing months of reading from the sidelines and have found Nano-Reef to be an amazing hub for information; it is by far my favorite place to go as a resource.

 

I realize that my endeavor is unique. My goal is to keep a successful nano-reef tank housing a golden dwarf moray eel. The last time I kept fish was about twenty years ago when I was just a ten-year old kid. I am certainly a beginner. Nevertheless, I've been drawn to morays all my life, and when I realized that people keep them as pets, it sparked a concrete interest in making one a part of the family. They are incredible creatures.

 

Before making any moves, I put in many long nights researching the idea of a nano eel tank. Knowing it is easy to make fatal errors in a small aquarium, I understand that many factors that come into play, so please know that I appreciate your sincere, constructive thoughts!

 

I have considered many different brands and builds and visited a few LFSs, but I fear I am getting mixed answers about my idea. An issue I am running into is that perhaps some shopkeepers do not know enough about the Golden Dwarf Moray eel. My tank of preference at the moment is the IM 20G Nuvo Fusion. ( http://bit.ly/2bpfWbl) I am confused about whether or not this can be a realistic home for a GDM eel. Today, for example, a LFS shopkeeper told me that the GDM eel needs a lot of room and that he would never even consider selling me the fish if he knew it was going into a 20G tank. I reminded him that it was one of the smallest species of Gymnothorax and asked why he thought it might be so cruel of me to match it with the 20G Nuvo Fusion, especially since the first LFS shopkeeper I'd visited told me that it was a fine idea. This guy answered that although morays like to chill in their cave all day, they will swim around at night often. I recall reading that they are active at night, but he said that the bottom line is that the fish needs a lot more room than a 24" 20G to be happy. His thoughts have really made me reconsider the whole operation.

 

Although I understand the 'bigger is always better' argument, I'd been under the impression that happy morays live in an aquarium environment that is twice their length in size or more. With the GDM reaching an adult maximum length of ten or eleven inches, it seemed to me like an IM 20G Nuvo Fusion would be okay, especially since the tank length is 24". In fact, according to a 2008 post on Nano-Reef, Therupert writes: "I have [a Golden Dwarf Moray eel] now, and it's in a 24 Gallon Aquapod. I've had it for about 6 months and it's thriving." ( http://bit.ly/2aTfKnU )My understanding is that a 24G Aquapod is 19" in length, which is 5" shorter in length than the IM 20G Nuvo Fusion. ( http://bit.ly/2aRF8o6 )

 

My thoughts are that maybe this LFS shopkeeper I visited today was confusing the GDM eel with the standard Golden Moray Eel found in South America and the Caribbean, Gymnothorax miliaris ( http://bit.ly/2bt8HSM ),which is very different from the smaller Indo-Pacific GDM, Gymnothorax melatremus ( http://bit.ly/2b2A2cm ).I realize that the GDM is a unique fish and is probably not as common as other eels which surely belong in larger tanks.

 

The big question is: can it happen? Is the size right? What extraneous factors come into play? I have other ideas about how to customize the tank in order to house the eel properly, too. I understand that one of the more vital issues is the protein skimmer, as I know eels can create a lot of waste. I've read that many of the compatible nano-skimmers on the market really suck but was really excited to discover Cityreefer's modifications on the CAD Lights PLS-50 Elite. ( http://bit.ly/2aRFxqx )I have also considered the Japanese minimalist skimmer, SWC's Mame III. ( http://bit.ly/2b6yQUJ )As for lights and a reactor, I am excited to have found the Nicrew 20"-27" LED hood ( http://bit.ly/2aTrfZP ) and the IM Auqa Gadget Minimax AIO Media Reactor ( http://bit.ly/2bglYtj ). I imagine an ATO would probably be a wise idea as well.

 

All in all, I am very intrigued to hear what the community thinks about this idea. If it can't work, what are some suggestions to create a satisfactory environment for a GDM? Thank you in advance to everyone who reads my post and can perhaps provide some input. Please do not hesitate to share your thoughts!

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Welcome to N-R.com.

 

Don't you need a top for eels?

 

I'm not really familiar with Gymnothorax melatremus, but read they stay under a foot long.

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Yes, the Nuvo Fusions come with a really nifty looking mesh screen top with clips. I have seen a few people actually customize their tops by spray painting the mesh black, which gives it a really sleek appearance.

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Hi There Becen :):welcome: to NR!

IMO, it shows that u have certainly spent a bit of time Lurking in the background and researching.

I am intrigued and would like to see how this goes.

 

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Yes, the Nuvo Fusions come with a really nifty looking mesh screen top with clips. I have seen a few people actually customize their tops by spray painting the mesh black, which gives it a really sleek appearance.

 

:welcome:

 

I am by no means an eel expert. I am going to be relaying info that I have heard from other reefers.

 

Eels are escape artists. They are able to escape from almost anything. Pretty much their entire bodies are muscle. That being said, I have a Nuvo and the top is very light. You would need to weigh it down or create a heavy lid. Otherwise, you may wake up to find eel jerky on the ground. :(

 

I believe the user Felicia has a GDM in a 40 breeder- or at least some kind of eel. Search for Diver's Predator Paradise. If you are interested in keeping some other predatory fish, a system like hers may be the way to go. I highly suggest reading he build thread.

 

Good luck,

 

Nick

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Thank you Nick. I checked out Felicia's predator tank a while ago. It is a really amazing aquarium; however, she does indeed use a 40B in her setup with an external sump. I also think she has a snowflake eel in there, which is cool, but a little different than a GDM.

 

As far as the tops for a Nuvo Fusion go, I was thinking about how to mod the top in order to make it less likely for a GDM to escape. How do you feel about magnets? Perhaps gluing pieces of magnets to the side of the top and the inner-rim might help keep the top in place.

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Regarding Magnets to hold ur top down...I would think the Magnet would have to be very strong to do the job.

I wonder if u could Mod the top with Clips? And Magnets.

Just thinking out loud.

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For eels you need an enclosed tank, they can escape easily.

 

Eels are also messy eaters and create a lot of waste.

 

From what I see, even with the dwarf eel, it requires a much larger tank than 20g. Your LFS guy wasn't lying, if anything he was being honest, an eel in 20g is not recommended.

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Astinus,

 

Good to see someone commenting from the SWFL area! I moved from Naples to Asheville in February. I miss it! With that out of the way, there is no doubt that I would need strong magnets to reinforce the top enclosure. I noticed that some of the guys keeping a JBJ45 use clips or clamps and figured it might be worth a go.

 

Regarding Magnets to hold ur top down...I would think the Magnet would have to be very strong to do the job.

I wonder if u could Mod the top with Clips? And Magnets.

Just thinking out loud.

 

Clown79,

 

Thank you very much for your insight! I do not know if you've kept eels before, but can you tell me, from your experiences, what might be the smallest or best possible aquarium solution to keep the GDM? I really like the design and idea of an AIO setup and hoped to learn more about why this idea would or wouldn't work. If I do indeed need a much larger aquarium, what would you recommend?

 

For eels you need an enclosed tank, they can escape easily.

Eels are also messy eaters and create a lot of waste.

From what I see, even with the dwarf eel, it requires a much larger tank than 20g. Your LFS guy wasn't lying, if anything he was being honest, an eel in 20g is not recommended.

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Astinus,

 

Good to see someone commenting from the SWFL area! I moved from Naples to Asheville in February. I miss it! With that out of the way, there is no doubt that I would need strong magnets to reinforce the top enclosure. I noticed that some of the guys keeping a JBJ45 use clips or clamps and figured it might be worth a go.

 

 

Clown79,

 

Thank you very much for your insight! I do not know if you've kept eels before, but can you tell me, from your experiences, what might be the smallest or best possible aquarium solution to keep the GDM? I really like the design and idea of an AIO setup and hoped to learn more about why this idea would or wouldn't work. If I do indeed need a much larger aquarium, what would you recommend?

 

 

In terms of tank size, I know Marc Levenson had a pair in a 60 cube for awhile. As aforementioned, they're kinda messy. Since you're looking for an AIO, I'd check out the Red Sea E Series. Has some basic equipment, you might need to mod the skimmer, though. You can even add a sump down the line. Alternatively, go with a Reefer 250.

 

Nick

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You should be fine. I had a GDM in a 16 gal for over a year (he then went into a 34). They are great fish with wonderful personality. You will need a decent screen top though. The Red Sea E 170 May be a better option (assuming price is not a factor)

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Nick,

 

Thank you so much for that suggestion. I really love the Red Sea Reefer series, but I was a bit apprehensive about considering one from the get-go because it lacks a top. I have googled some possibilities for makeshift tops on the Reefer tanks and some look kind of shoddy. There is one in particular on a 170 that I thought looked especially miserable: http://bit.ly/2bvwilR

 

For the record, I totally agree that the Red Sea aquariums are elegant and really top-of-the-line. Perhaps there is no escaping the reality of needing a larger aquarium. What do you think about IM's next step up from where I was originally, the 30G Nano Fusion? ( http://bit.ly/2aSqygG ) Fifteen inches is the perfect width for the piece of furniture I'd like to put the tank on.

 

 

In terms of tank size, I know Marc Levenson had a pair in a 60 cube for awhile. As aforementioned, they're kinda messy. Since you're looking for an AIO, I'd check out the Red Sea E Series. Has some basic equipment, you might need to mod the skimmer, though. You can even add a sump down the line. Alternatively, go with a Reefer 250.

 

Nick

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William,

 

Thank you! Can you tell me why you decided to move him into a 34G? Did you decide to do away with the 16G altogether or was your GDM becoming unhappy?

 

You should be fine. I had a GDM in a 16 gal for over a year (he then went into a 34). They are great fish with wonderful personality. You will need a decent screen top though

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Nick,

 

Thank you so much for that suggestion. I really love the Red Sea Reefer series, but I was a bit apprehensive about considering one from the get-go because it lacks a top. I have googled some possibilities for makeshift tops on the Reefer tanks and some look kind of shoddy. There is one in particular on a 170 that I thought looked especially miserable: http://bit.ly/2bvwilR

 

For the record, I totally agree that the Red Sea aquariums are elegant and really top-of-the-line. Perhaps there is no escaping the reality of needing a larger aquarium. What do you think about IM's next step up from where I was originally, the 30G Nano Fusion? ( http://bit.ly/2aSqygG ) Fifteen inches is the perfect width for the piece of furniture I'd like to put the tank on.

 

 

The stock top would need to be modified anyhow, so it's worth it to build your own and add some extra weight to it. Maybe take some conduit, fill it with sand, seal it, and string mesh through it. I don't know- that's just off the top of my head. The sumps they have would allow for larger skimmers and other filtration items; which would give you better water quality and your livestock a healthier life.

 

I have the Fusion 30L. IMO, a large filtration and water capacity is a MUST on a build like this- Felicia has a 40g sump to boot! That being said, it can't have larger skimmers internally. You'd have an Aquamaxx or Reef Octopus hanging off of the back and you have said you liked the clean look. IF you have the room for a 36-inch-long tank, go with the Reefer 250. It comes with its own stand, since you mentioned a piece of furniture. If I was yearning to have these creatures in my home, I would want them safe, happy , and healthy. I'd want their home to look good, too, so the larger tank soze would minimize the possibility of algae issues. Plus, it opens up some livestock options that the Eels won't go after. They don't do much during the day so it'd be good to have some other inhabitants.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Nick

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William,

 

Thank you! Can you tell me why you decided to move him into a 34G? Did you decide to do away with the 16G altogether or was your GDM becoming unhappy?

 

The 16 gal started leaking, he was very happy in the 16 and would have likely been ok in there for quite a while.

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I know nothing about eels. But I do have the fusion 20, and unless the eels are as thin as a pencil, I cant see a 10-12" eel in such a small tank.

 

I would consider something atleast a little longer. Maybe look at the fusion 30L since it is longer. Again, I dont know anything about the type of eel you are looking at, but the fusion 20 is pretty small.

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I have not had an eel but through researching- the smallest suggested is 60g.

 

There are various reasons why certain fish require bigger systems ex.food sources, how much biowaste they create, etc etc.

 

you can certainly try keeping fish in smaller homes but for long term health, its not advisable.

 

Its not necessarily just the size of the fish in full growth that determines its habitat needs but what it needs for food sources, depth of sand, how much waste it creates.

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I know nothing about eels. But I do have the fusion 20, and unless the eels are as thin as a pencil, I cant see a 10-12" eel in such a small tank.

 

I would consider something atleast a little longer. Maybe look at the fusion 30L since it is longer. Again, I dont know anything about the type of eel you are looking at, but the fusion 20 is pretty small.

 

It isn't about the eels thickness. Eels are very smart and are practically all muscle. If the lid isn't ultra-tight or heavy, it'll escape.

 

Nick

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Nick,

 

I will certainly be following your advice by making sure the top is heavy, secure and sealed. This is a great point that I may have overlooked in the beginning. Perhaps there is a way to weigh down the Nano's stock top by creating some more weight within the frame of the top itself. It would be really helpful if I could see the frame. Would you mind snapping a picture of it for me and its design underneath? I have never seen it.

 

After your comments about the length of the tank, I have begun to reconsider the 30G Nano as a primary option, and I am opening up to the Reefer 250 as well. I regret making that comment about the piece of furniture where I would like to keep the aquarium. My primary intention is not to design my home's interior, but rather, create a functionally pleasant and safe environment for my fish and corals.

 

With that said, I understand that Felicia's tank is top-notch. Her 40B is impressive; however, I do not want a predator paradise tank. I want a simple and happy home for a GDM. Felicia has a Snowflake Eel. She also houses three lionfish, two clowns and a wrasse as far as fish are concerned. I won't even mention the inverts. There is no doubt that the bioload and skimmers at Felicia's house are working overtime. ( http://bit.ly/1RVGrAr) LiveAquaria cites that snowflakes grow up to two feet and that the minimum tank size ought to be 50G. ( http://bit.ly/2b9Lu2W ) FishChannel.com clocks their max length at two and a half feet. ( http://bit.ly/2aVaYDP ) Keeping this in mind, fully grown GDMs are half their size at best. And as far as size is concerned, I believe that the IM 30G Nuvo Fusion is an extremely attractive option. Don't you?

 

Also, I learned that Felicia does not have a 40G sump, but a 20G rather. I totally understand the importance of a great skimmer here and why the water needs to be extremely clean, but I have no intention of keeping a bioload like Felicia's either. As a beginner, I want to keep things as simple as possible as my biggest fear is making a serious mistake. At the top of my list is the CAD Lights PLS-50 Elite. ( http://bit.ly/2aVcwOa )

 

Of course, the GDM isn't the "end all, be all" of the tank. I think a couple clowns, LR, some coral and a strategically chosen CUC are in order. Maybe more. I figure I'll open that door when I get there. Nevertheless, might the CAD Lights skimmer not be powerful enough for the eel and a few friends in a 30G? MarineDepot cites this bad boy working at a maximum capacity of 60G.

 

Let me know what you think. Thanks as always!

 

 

The stock top would need to be modified anyhow, so it's worth it to build your own and add some extra weight to it. Maybe take some conduit, fill it with sand, seal it, and string mesh through it. I don't know- that's just off the top of my head. The sumps they have would allow for larger skimmers and other filtration items; which would give you better water quality and your livestock a healthier life.

 

I have the Fusion 30L. IMO, a large filtration and water capacity is a MUST on a build like this- Felicia has a 40g sump to boot! That being said, it can't have larger skimmers internally. You'd have an Aquamaxx or Reef Octopus hanging off of the back and you have said you liked the clean look. IF you have the room for a 36-inch-long tank, go with the Reefer 250. It comes with its own stand, since you mentioned a piece of furniture. If I was yearning to have these creatures in my home, I would want them safe, happy , and healthy. I'd want their home to look good, too, so the larger tank soze would minimize the possibility of algae issues. Plus, it opens up some livestock options that the Eels won't go after. They don't do much during the day so it'd be good to have some other inhabitants.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Nick

 

 

It isn't about the eels thickness. Eels are very smart and are practically all muscle. If the lid isn't ultra-tight or heavy, it'll escape.

 

Nick

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Clown79,

 

Thanks for your insight. This is probably the most bothersome thing about planning this whole operation. I have seen so many variations in suggested tank sizes for the GDM, and it is really, really disconcerting. You'll have sites like Poseidon's Realm (which I know nothing about) citing that the minimum tank size is 10-20G. ( http://bit.ly/2bgKrSb )On this thread, William has been helpful by letting us know that his GDM was content in a 16G before moving it to a 34G. Then you'll get a real mind-bender like this every now and then that'll make you ponder the meaning of life:

ill clear some stuff up since i had one
the golden dwarf moray CAN eat fish
he ate my firefish and my pistol shrimp
the pistol was about 1.5" and the firefish was about 2"
so pretty much anything slender he can eat
another this is they are REALLY good at escaping
i had one in my nc6 and kept on going into the back compartment and back to the front
the back compartment had about a 3" gap from the surface of the water to the top of the ledge going back into the tank
i also found him in my surface skimmer box and the teeth are about 3/16th-1/4"
they are awesome fish and very playful and hardy
he was in a tank when all my other fish got whiped out from different diseases except him
very tolarable to different salinities but not so much on temp
i fed mine frozen krill and he was about 9"
if i ever get a chance to get another one i deffinately will
if you have any other questions let me know

 

This post was taken from right here on Nano-Reef: http://bit.ly/2b4ZxJU What's more is that this user kept a GDM in a 6G Nano Cube! I agree this is unbelievably small, and I'm almost certain that this particular GDM was unhappy. But something we have learned is that it endured. Although I am so sorry that this GDM lived in such a small and stressful environment, it makes me happy to hear how hardy the little guys can be. At the same token, I have found that people have really aimed way too high. Here is a response to a GDM question citing 75G as the suggested minimum size: http://bit.ly/2aTsF36 And here, 79G: http://bit.ly/2aUUcHF The real winner though is SaltwaterFish.com, citing the GDM's minimum tank size at a whopping 90G: http://bit.ly/2bgPouc Big WTF!

 

So we have a variety of 'minimums' for the aquarium size, but who do we believe in the end? The truth is that when it comes to this particular eel, a lot is really up in the air. There is information out there, but putting it all together has been a great big puzzle which makes planning really trying. Before posting, I believed that 20G was a reasonable size. Now I am leaning more towards a 30G with a good nano-skimmer, and I am really beginning to like the idea. ( http://bit.ly/2aSqygG )

 

Thoughts?

 

I have not had an eel but through researching- the smallest suggested is 60g.

There are various reasons why certain fish require bigger systems ex.food sources, how much biowaste they create, etc etc.

you can certainly try keeping fish in smaller homes but for long term health, its not advisable.

Its not necessarily just the size of the fish in full growth that determines its habitat needs but what it needs for food sources, depth of sand, how much waste it creates.

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But something we have learned is that it endured.

Well it endured long enough to reach 9 inches anyway. People do all sorts of crazy stuff (on this, as well as other sites). The words "happy" and "thriving" are overused and can usually be replaced with the word "living".

 

So we have a variety of 'minimums' for the aquarium size, but who do we believe in the end? The truth is that when it comes to this particular eel, a lot is really up in the air. There is information out there, but putting it all together has been a great big puzzle which makes planning really trying. Before posting, I believed that 20G was a reasonable size. Now I am leaning more towards a 30G with a good nano-skimmer, and I am really beginning to like the idea. ( http://bit.ly/2aSqygG )

I appreciate your being open to adjusting your initial plan. Too many people are closed to ideas which disagree with theirs.

 

I suspect that some of these recommendations are for morays in general. Others might factor in room for other fish to coexist (as it will eat anything small enough to swallow). As I said before, I'm not really familiar with this species, but a 3' (30 gallon) tank seems like a reasonable "minimum" tank size. Although, I'm sure that you can find examples of them being kept in even smaller tanks.

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I would say a 30g should be fine for the eel but it will limit what and how many other fish can be added.

 

I agree with Seabass- many ppl keep livestock they really shouldn't and often keep them in habitats that aren't beneficial for the longterm welfare of the livestock. Ex. Blue hippos being housed in 20g.

 

A fish living in an environment for 1yr is not really that long, I consider longevity in yrs.

 

I would consider that factor when reading various experiences others have had

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Seabass,

 

Lmfao @ 'thriving' versus 'living'. I will look out for that trend. Thanks for all your input. Went back to the drawing board and have been putting together a build for the IM 30G Nano Fusion to see how this might play out.

 

Well it endured long enough to reach 9 inches anyway. People do all sorts of crazy stuff (on this, as well as other sites). The words "happy" and "thriving" are overused and can usually be replaced with the word "living".

I appreciate your being open to adjusting your initial plan. Too many people are closed to ideas which disagree with theirs.

I suspect that some of these recommendations are for morays in general. Others might factor in room for other fish to coexist (as it will eat anything small enough to swallow). As I said before, I'm not really familiar with this species, but a 3' (30 gallon) tank seems like a reasonable "minimum" tank size. Although, I'm sure that you can find examples of them being kept in even smaller tanks.

 

Clown,

 

Thank you. Your approval certainly makes me feel more at ease. Off the top of your head, any ideas on what might be some other fish or inverts to consider with the GDM in a long 30G?

 

I would say a 30g should be fine for the eel but it will limit what and how many other fish can be added.

I agree with Seabass- many ppl keep livestock they really shouldn't and often keep them in habitats that aren't beneficial for the longterm welfare of the livestock. Ex. Blue hippos being housed in 20g.

A fish living in an environment for 1yr is not really that long, I consider longevity in yrs.

I would consider that factor when reading various experiences others have had

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Nick,

 

I will certainly be following your advice by making sure the top is heavy, secure and sealed. This is a great point that I may have overlooked in the beginning. Perhaps there is a way to weigh down the Nano's stock top by creating some more weight within the frame of the top itself. It would be really helpful if I could see the frame. Would you mind snapping a picture of it for me and its design underneath? I have never seen it.

 

After your comments about the length of the tank, I have begun to reconsider the 30G Nano as a primary option, and I am opening up to the Reefer 250 as well. I regret making that comment about the piece of furniture where I would like to keep the aquarium. My primary intention is not to design my home's interior, but rather, create a functionally pleasant and safe environment for my fish and corals.

 

With that said, I understand that Felicia's tank is top-notch. Her 40B is impressive; however, I do not want a predator paradise tank. I want a simple and happy home for a GDM. Felicia has a Snowflake Eel. She also houses three lionfish, two clowns and a wrasse as far as fish are concerned. I won't even mention the inverts. There is no doubt that the bioload and skimmers at Felicia's house are working overtime. ( http://bit.ly/1RVGrAr) LiveAquaria cites that snowflakes grow up to two feet and that the minimum tank size ought to be 50G. ( http://bit.ly/2b9Lu2W ) FishChannel.com clocks their max length at two and a half feet. ( http://bit.ly/2aVaYDP ) Keeping this in mind, fully grown GDMs are half their size at best. And as far as size is concerned, I believe that the IM 30G Nuvo Fusion is an extremely attractive option. Don't you?

 

Also, I learned that Felicia does not have a 40G sump, but a 20G rather. I totally understand the importance of a great skimmer here and why the water needs to be extremely clean, but I have no intention of keeping a bioload like Felicia's either. As a beginner, I want to keep things as simple as possible as my biggest fear is making a serious mistake. At the top of my list is the CAD Lights PLS-50 Elite. ( http://bit.ly/2aVcwOa )

 

Of course, the GDM isn't the "end all, be all" of the tank. I think a couple clowns, LR, some coral and a strategically chosen CUC are in order. Maybe more. I figure I'll open that door when I get there. Nevertheless, might the CAD Lights skimmer not be powerful enough for the eel and a few friends in a 30G? MarineDepot cites this bad boy working at a maximum capacity of 60G.

 

Let me know what you think. Thanks as always!

 

 

 

I'll try and get some photos tomorrow. Honestly, unless you maybe make a rim out of conduit to go on top of the cover to weigh it down, I'm not sure how to do it.

 

Nick

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