Marine Depot Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 FIRST LOOK: Kessil AP700 Magnetic Diffusion Optical LensesHybrid optics, Wi-Fi control, and beautiful full spectrum color! Link to comment
ninjamyst Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 I went a LFS recently and they are running a AP700 over their LPS tank. When I told them I am also running an AP700, they said "Hope you are not going SPS because even Kessil told us not to use this over a SPS tank." What are your opinions on running a predominantly SPS tank with AP700? Will the diffuser help with spread and reducing shadows? Link to comment
jedimasterben Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 What are your opinions on running a predominantly SPS tank with AP700? Will the diffuser help with spread and reducing shadows? No, the physics simply isn't there. There are only two points of light entering the tank, and this can't fix that problem. Link to comment
Cencalfishguy56 Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 I went a LFS recently and they are running a AP700 over their LPS tank. When I told them I am also running an AP700, they said "Hope you are not going SPS because even Kessil told us not to use this over a SPS tank." What are your opinions on running a predominantly SPS tank with AP700? Will the diffuser help with spread and reducing shadows? thats funny because I've seen a dominant tank of sps lit will all kessil a360's One example Link to comment
HarryPotter Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 thats funny because I've seen a dominant tank of sps lit will all kessil a360's How many? Its not about the quality of the light, just the shadows and problems that single point lighting has. You need many fixtures to get adequate spread for acros in a larger tank Link to comment
Confuse Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 No, the physics simply isn't there. There are only two points of light entering the tank, and this can't fix that problem. Ben, what do you think of the spectrum of these lights? They seem to have added more color. Is it any better than the 360's? Link to comment
Cencalfishguy56 Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 How many? Its not about the quality of the light, just the shadows and problems that single point lighting has. You need many fixtures to get adequate spread for acros in a larger tankyea I tend to forget this, just re-read what Ben said lol Link to comment
Marine Depot Posted May 13, 2016 Author Share Posted May 13, 2016 I went a LFS recently and they are running a AP700 over their LPS tank. When I told them I am also running an AP700, they said "Hope you are not going SPS because even Kessil told us not to use this over a SPS tank." What are your opinions on running a predominantly SPS tank with AP700? Will the diffuser help with spread and reducing shadows? The AP700 was tested quite extensively with SPS corals at Neptune Aquatics before it was released. You can see a video here: In regards to shadowing, a point source light will always have more shadows. However, the lens on the LED, the reflector around the lens as well as the optional diffuser do help to redirect and scatter the light to help reduce shadowing as much as possible. If you have any questions, please let us know. Update - 5/13/16 @ 2:22 pm PST Response from Kessil when asked if there was any truth to what your LFS told you: "Nope. Not unless the tank was too big for our recommendation or it's a shop with an old school reef mentality that hasn't been won over yet. Most are very hesitant to use over SPS—but once they do, it's a different story." Link to comment
HarryPotter Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 The AP700 was tested quite extensively with SPS corals at Neptune Aquatics before it was released. You can see a video here: https://youtu.be/YV6M85h9QHE In regards to shadowing, a point source light will always have more shadows. However, the lens on the LED, the reflector around the lens as well as the optional diffuser do help to redirect and scatter the light to help reduce shadowing as much as possible. If you have any questions, please let us know. That is mounted SUPER high though, like 3 feet? Link to comment
Marine Depot Posted May 13, 2016 Author Share Posted May 13, 2016 That is mounted SUPER high though, like 3 feet? Hard to say for sure without asking Jimmy himself, but we would have guessed two. Link to comment
ninjamyst Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 The AP700 was tested quite extensively with SPS corals at Neptune Aquatics before it was released. You can see a video here: In regards to shadowing, a point source light will always have more shadows. However, the lens on the LED, the reflector around the lens as well as the optional diffuser do help to redirect and scatter the light to help reduce shadowing as much as possible. If you have any questions, please let us know. Update - 5/13/16 @ 2:22 pm PST Response from Kessil when asked if there was any truth to what your LFS told you: "Nope. Not unless the tank was too big for our recommendation or it's a shop with an old school reef mentality that hasn't been won over yet. Most are very hesitant to use over SPS—but once they do, it's a different story." thanks for reaching out to Kessil! I will probably get the major diffuser from you guys soon. Not that I run a SPS tank, but the diffuser will allow me to lower my lights more without sacrificing coverage. Link to comment
jedimasterben Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 thanks for reaching out to Kessil! I will probably get the major diffuser from you guys soon. Not that I run a SPS tank, but the diffuser will allow me to lower my lights more without sacrificing coverage.It probably won't help much, unfortunately. The diffuser is physically too close to the LEDs. I've done some extensive testing on diffusers and distance from the LEDs, and being right up on them had little effect, even with a very thick diffuser. Link to comment
ninjamyst Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 It probably won't help much, unfortunately. The diffuser is physically too close to the LEDs. I've done some extensive testing on diffusers and distance from the LEDs, and being right up on them had little effect, even with a very thick diffuser. Party pooper =P Link to comment
jedimasterben Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 They don't call me buzzkill Ben for nothin. Buzz buzz! Link to comment
Cencalfishguy56 Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 They don't call me buzzkill Ben for nothin. Buzz buzz! how come you haven't started your own aquarium lighting business?? Link to comment
jedimasterben Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Little interest in that sort of thing lol Link to comment
Cencalfishguy56 Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Little interest in that sort of thing lollol typical, guy who's a genius in one area but yet has no interest in it so the world never gets to experience what "could be" haha Link to comment
Tmr8188 Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 I know of 2 tanks that use ap700's. One is an sps zeovit 150g and the other is a mixed reef 180. Each uses 2 ap700's. The growth and color is amazing. But they are newer tanks. Only time will tell whether the claims are true. Now if kessil came out with a t5 hybrid I WOULD BE ALL OVER THAT! Link to comment
Confuse Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 I know of 2 tanks that use ap700's. One is an sps zeovit 150g and the other is a mixed reef 180. Each uses 2 ap700's. The growth and color is amazing. But they are newer tanks. Only time will tell whether the claims are true. Now if kessil came out with a t5 hybrid I WOULD BE ALL OVER THAT! Would you say the color rendition on the fixture is good? I heard they still used cool whites. Not sure how reds would look under Kessils. Especially acans. Link to comment
toybox22 Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Hard to say for sure without asking Jimmy himself, but we would have guessed two. I can measure the height if you want. I just started working at Neptunes. Jimmy unfortunately had to leave Neptunes, but I can ask the owner more questions if you guys would like. I can also get some new pics of that tank. It's gorgeous. haha I'm a freshwater guy, but looking to start a saltwater tank soon. Link to comment
Tmr8188 Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Would you say the color rendition on the fixture is good? I heard they still used cool whites. Not sure how reds would look under Kessils. Especially acans. I personally prefer the look of red corals under kessils rather than an led fixture like a radion. In fact that's why I got rid of my radion. The kessil may appear dim but the coral literally glows. Imo a kessil is as good as leds can look. Link to comment
braaap Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 My LFS has an AP700 over a SPS dominate tank and it looks really good. Well the coral does. The light fixture itself is ugly. Link to comment
ReefWeeds Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 They don't call me buzzkill Ben for nothin. Buzz buzz! Link to comment
D Z Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 I still think of him more as a negative nancy fkr some reason... Link to comment
Neptune Aquatics Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 The AP700 was tested quite extensively with SPS corals at Neptune Aquatics before it was released. You can see a video here: In regards to shadowing, a point source light will always have more shadows. However, the lens on the LED, the reflector around the lens as well as the optional diffuser do help to redirect and scatter the light to help reduce shadowing as much as possible. If you have any questions, please let us know. Update - 5/13/16 @ 2:22 pm PST Response from Kessil when asked if there was any truth to what your LFS told you: "Nope. Not unless the tank was too big for our recommendation or it's a shop with an old school reef mentality that hasn't been won over yet. Most are very hesitant to use over SPSbut once they do, it's a different story." Link to comment
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