Matteo Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 I have a sumpless tank and do not skim. Simply run some carbon. I know adding chaeto would only be beneficial so what if I have a Two little fishies reactor in the stand filled with chaeto and an LED strip attached to it? Why not? Link to comment
ajmckay Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Interesting thought - but IME chaeto needs room to grow, and for it to have much of an effect there needs to be a pretty large "starter" clump. Oxygen is another important aspect of algae growth and it would be difficult (I think) to up the oxygen in the reactor. Then there's the issue of harvesting. A similar concept has been used and that is the algae scrubber. Scrubbers use high intensity lighting along with water flow, air, and a rough growing medium to create a mat of hair algae that works almost around the clock. Once the mat grows dense enough the excess algae is scraped off and the growing medium is put back. There's a DIY around here on how to modify a cheap HOB filter into an ATS (algae turf scrubber). Hair algae is extremely effective in utilizing nutrients from a tank - more than chaeto and other macros as far as I am aware. Link to comment
Matteo Posted April 21, 2016 Author Share Posted April 21, 2016 Interesting thought - but IME chaeto needs room to grow, and for it to have much of an effect there needs to be a pretty large "starter" clump. Oxygen is another important aspect of algae growth and it would be difficult (I think) to up the oxygen in the reactor. Then there's the issue of harvesting. A similar concept has been used and that is the algae scrubber. Scrubbers use high intensity lighting along with water flow, air, and a rough growing medium to create a mat of hair algae that works almost around the clock. Once the mat grows dense enough the excess algae is scraped off and the growing medium is put back. There's a DIY around here on how to modify a cheap HOB filter into an ATS (algae turf scrubber). Hair algae is extremely effective in utilizing nutrients from a tank - more than chaeto and other macros as far as I am aware. Cool deal. I will have to google that! I have an AC110 but idk if I want to fuge it... Link to comment
Sunstar Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 I want to build an algae scrubber. I will see if I got a vid on it saved. They use red LED for the algae, and it gets thick. Link to comment
Matteo Posted April 21, 2016 Author Share Posted April 21, 2016 Okay so definitely a cool idea! but I do not have a sump.... found this which would solve the oxygen and co2 exchange but I feel like you are asking for micro bubbles Link to comment
Tanker99 Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 The Chaeto in a media reactor idea has been done before , Chaeto has grown in it but as to how efficient it is I have no idea. Just Google Chaeto in media reactor and a lot of information will pop up about it. Most people say not to do it because it not that easy to clean. Link to comment
Matteo Posted April 21, 2016 Author Share Posted April 21, 2016 The Chaeto in a media reactor idea has been done before , Chaeto has grown in it but as to how efficient it is I have no idea. Just Google Chaeto in media reactor and a lot of information will pop up about it. Most people say not to do it because it not that easy to clean. Probably a good call. I am just looking for a fun DIY project that would be beneficial for my tank! Suggestions? Link to comment
Tanker99 Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Probably a good call. I am just looking for a fun DIY project that would be beneficial for my tank! Suggestions? I actually do like the idea of Chaeto in a media reactor specially if you have a sump less or a very small system like a pico. You can always try a waterfall style algae scrubber if you don't run a sump. Link to comment
Matteo Posted April 21, 2016 Author Share Posted April 21, 2016 yeaaah the water fall would be ugly and I feel like it just wouldn't work. I might try the reactor with a venturi style pump and see if I can control bubbles. We will see! If anything I run a reactor with carbon and use ac110 as fuge. Link to comment
tetraodon Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 I have a sumpless tank and do not skim. Simply run some carbon. I know adding chaeto would only be beneficial so what if I have a Two little fishies reactor in the stand filled with chaeto and an LED strip attached to it? Why not? i was at a frag farmers market last year and one feature product was a large cylinder reactor for growing macros. it looked like an avast media reactor with strip LEDs down the center for light. here i found it: https://reefbuilders.com/2015/09/24/arid-chaetomorpha-macroalgae-scrubbers-paxbellum/ Link to comment
Matteo Posted April 21, 2016 Author Share Posted April 21, 2016 i was at a frag farmers market last year and one feature product was a large cylinder reactor for growing macros. it looked like an avast media reactor with strip LEDs down the center for light. here i found it: https://reefbuilders.com/2015/09/24/arid-chaetomorpha-macroalgae-scrubbers-paxbellum/ I do not see how it wouldn't work honestly. Link to comment
tetraodon Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 I do not see how it wouldn't work honestly. biggest issue i see is the limited space for growth, you would have to stay on it. Link to comment
gus6464 Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Interesting thought - but IME chaeto needs room to grow, and for it to have much of an effect there needs to be a pretty large "starter" clump. Oxygen is another important aspect of algae growth and it would be difficult (I think) to up the oxygen in the reactor. Then there's the issue of harvesting. A similar concept has been used and that is the algae scrubber. Scrubbers use high intensity lighting along with water flow, air, and a rough growing medium to create a mat of hair algae that works almost around the clock. Once the mat grows dense enough the excess algae is scraped off and the growing medium is put back. There's a DIY around here on how to modify a cheap HOB filter into an ATS (algae turf scrubber). Hair algae is extremely effective in utilizing nutrients from a tank - more than chaeto and other macros as far as I am aware. That's not entirely true about chaeto needing room to grow. The PAX Bellum ARID grows some intense chaeto. I am planning on picking one up in the summer. Link to comment
Matteo Posted April 21, 2016 Author Share Posted April 21, 2016 its not like its going to grow daily to the point of daily trimmings. Link to comment
Marc.The.Shark Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 yeah, here's a thread on R2R about an ebay one & documented growth, etc... http://reef2reef.com/threads/algae-reactor.230403/ Link to comment
Matteo Posted April 21, 2016 Author Share Posted April 21, 2016 yeah, here's a thread on R2R about an ebay one & documented growth, etc... http://reef2reef.com/threads/algae-reactor.230403/ interesting read! might be a future DIY using the phospban 150 Link to comment
Marc.The.Shark Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 interesting read! might be a future DIY using the phospban 150 Yeah, that looked like the best option of the bunch Link to comment
picoreef78 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Anyone have experience with the PAX Vellum ARID? My main goals would be too improve CO2 exchange in increase pH. Link to comment
gus6464 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Anyone have experience with the PAX Vellum ARID? My main goals would be too improve CO2 exchange in increase pH. I had emailed the company and wanted one but the price has increased substantially. I was quoted $500 for a C18 with calcium reactor attachment and now it's over $800 which is just dumb. I am looking at the one from clear tides now. http://www.cleartide...s/procart13.htm They don't use as much red leds as I would like but that could be swapped out. Link to comment
Sunar357 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Anyone have experience with the PAX Vellum ARID? My main goals would be too improve CO2 exchange in increase pH. Friend has one and loves it. He's got money to throw around though. Link to comment
SantaMonica Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 Try building a bubble upflow version; just an airstone, screen, and LED needed: http://www.nano-reef.com/topic/301547-lowest-cost-way-to-eliminate-green-hair-bubble-turf-and-slime-algae/ Link to comment
picoreef78 Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 I put some cheat in my sump and added a 5600k LED light fixture that came with the tank. My hope is to stabilize pH. My nutrients run low baseline with minimal algae growth except for a bubble algae that made it into the tank a while back. I it works I saved myself $450. if not I might got the Pax Bdellium way as I don't have much sump room. Link to comment
KnH Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 The one from clear tides uses smd LEDs , very low light output , Link to comment
Tamberav Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 I have a sumpless tank and do not skim. Simply run some carbon. I know adding chaeto would only be beneficial so what if I have a Two little fishies reactor in the stand filled with chaeto and an LED strip attached to it? Why not? Aren't you putting display macro in your DT? Why compete with the display stuff using cheato and another thing to clean? Link to comment
Matteo Posted May 14, 2016 Author Share Posted May 14, 2016 Aren't you putting display macro in your DT? Why compete with the display stuff using cheato and another thing to clean? This is old. I have a sumped tank now Link to comment
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