fishfreak0114 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 My hammer coral has looked fabulous for ages, big and puffy an I knew it was gonna split soon. It retracted two days ago and I though ok, it's finally gonna split. But now it appears that the white squiggly insides are showing up all over the exterior and it is still retracted. It's not brown jelly though. Can someone tell me what happening and how I can fix it? Thanks in advance Link to comment
jack1978 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Is the Duncan aggregating it? Link to comment
fishfreak0114 Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 No, it's lived beside the Duncan for months with no ill effects. The head farthest away from the Duncan isnt even near it but whatever this is its being affected. Link to comment
fishfreak0114 Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 Could it be brown jelly? There was no brown jelly that I could see. I'm gonna dip the hammer this afternoon, and now I think my Zoas have zoa pox so I'll dip them too. It seems like everything in my tank is getting sick now. Also, not sure if this relates, but I've been working on killing off some pest palythoa. I'm running double chemipure. Link to comment
braaap Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Test all parameters. Honestly I'm with Jack and think it is the Duncan pissing it off. Things can touch each other for months and then one day kill off an entire colony. Link to comment
fishfreak0114 Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 If it the Duncan, would it affect both heads of it only touching one? I'll check my parameters, I know I have 0 phosphate. Link to comment
Mariaface Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 The duncan or something else may be pissing off, other corals/plants' chemical warfare could be pissing it off just being in the water (run activated carbon), ammonia could be pissing it off (add bacteria), phosphate spike/drop could be pissing it off (GFO or feeding), or some kind of alkalinity spike/drop could be causing it as well? Have you done a water change or dosed anything recently? Link to comment
ReefWeeds Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 yup, agree with the above posts. Test water and I bet the duncan is pissing it off. I had my duncan beside a coral for MONTHS and then boom. One day, the other coral decided to get aggressive (white filaments came out and attacked the duncan) and the duncan did not recover. Could it be brown jelly? There was no brown jelly that I could see. I'm gonna dip the hammer this afternoon, and now I think my Zoas have zoa pox so I'll dip them too. It seems like everything in my tank is getting sick now. Also, not sure if this relates, but I've been working on killing off some pest palythoa. I'm running double chemipure. If you're working on killing off some palys, then yes, that could absolutely be affecting everything in your tank. They could be releasing toxins that are bothering everything else. Link to comment
Mariaface Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Also, not sure if this relates, but I've been working on killing off some pest palythoa. I'm running double chemipure. Oh. Dude. I started killing off seafoam palys in my tank and I've had to change carbon every three days instead of every 1-2 weeks. For just a handful of little palys. Urgently. My hammer will shrivel back the second carbon stops being effective (earlier than everyone else, actually), and about an hour after the carbon's replaced it goes back to its normal fluffy, happy self. I'd invest in some Matrix Carbon or another large-granule carbon media, with some tiny aqua clear media bags. You can just keep replacing the carbon over and over again as needed. Link to comment
ajmckay Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 So those white squigglies are called mesenterial filaments - normally used to attack competing corals. Do you have any other Euphyllia? How are your nitrates? If nitrates rise too much that can irritate these corals. Is the lighting and flow appropriate for this coral? I find med-to-high light and low flow is ideal. Have you changed anything in the tank recently? Things such as changing the lighting (time, intensity, or type), adding or moving corals, etc...? Does the hammer appear bleached at all? Normally I would think that in your situation the hammer would be the aggressor unless it's a smaller colony or the hammer isn't doing well... Personally it doesn't sound like BJS, if it were you would see the brown jelly pretty quickly, and unaffected heads should still appear normal. If you do see jelly then I would cut off the affected heads asap as a dip alone probably won't be effective. Also I wouldn't mess with it just yet. Dipping corals can have varying results and unless you have a reason to may cause more harm than good - I can't make out a good reason based on your description so I think a little bit more observation may be necessary. Observe it carefully for the next day or 2 and try to note any changes. EDIT: Didn't see the part where you're treating pest palys. What methods are you using? As Maria mentioned excess chemicals being released into the water could cause issues with certain corals. Maybe take a break from that or alternate methods to see if the hammer improves. Link to comment
Mariaface Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 So those white squigglies are called mesenterial filaments - normally used to attack competing corals. They're also used for outside digestion of food, though that probably doesn't relate here. ..Unless it's underfed, or something. Link to comment
ReefSafeSolutions Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Honestly, my Euphyllia just behave strangely for periods of time, and then they go back to normal. I'd expect that if the Duncan and the Hammer were too close, the Duncan would be the one retracting and having the issues. As I understand it, the Hammer is the more aggressive of the two corals...or so I thought. This incident may prove otherwise! Link to comment
fishfreak0114 Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 The duncan or something else may be pissing off, other corals/plants' chemical warfare could be pissing it off just being in the water (run activated carbon), ammonia could be pissing it off (add bacteria), phosphate spike/drop could be pissing it off (GFO or feeding), or some kind of alkalinity spike/drop could be causing it as well? Have you done a water change or dosed anything recently?Is chemipure Carbon? Or Gould I add a bag of zeo carb(that's all I have around). I just did a water change on Thursday Oh. Dude. I started killing off seafoam palys in my tank and I've had to change carbon every three days instead of every 1-2 weeks. For just a handful of little palys. Urgently. My hammer will shrivel back the second carbon stops being effective (earlier than everyone else, actually), and about an hour after the carbon's replaced it goes back to its normal fluffy, happy self. I'd invest in some Matrix Carbon or another large-granule carbon media, with some tiny aqua clear media bags. You can just keep replacing the carbon over and over again as needed. I've glued over lots of them, I injected a couple with vinegar yesterday. I was really worried about the toxins, I hope this isn't from that So those white squigglies are called mesenterial filaments - normally used to attack competing corals. Do you have any other Euphyllia? How are your nitrates? If nitrates rise too much that can irritate these corals. Is the lighting and flow appropriate for this coral? I find med-to-high light and low flow is ideal. Have you changed anything in the tank recently? Things such as changing the lighting (time, intensity, or type), adding or moving corals, etc...? Does the hammer appear bleached at all? Normally I would think that in your situation the hammer would be the aggressor unless it's a smaller colony or the hammer isn't doing well... Personally it doesn't sound like BJS, if it were you would see the brown jelly pretty quickly, and unaffected heads should still appear normal. If you do see jelly then I would cut off the affected heads asap as a dip alone probably won't be effective. Also I wouldn't mess with it just yet. Dipping corals can have varying results and unless you have a reason to may cause more harm than good - I can't make out a good reason based on your description so I think a little bit more observation may be necessary. Observe it carefully for the next day or 2 and try to note any changes. EDIT: Didn't see the part where you're treating pest palys. What methods are you using? As Maria mentioned excess chemicals being released into the water could cause issues with certain corals. Maybe take a break from that or alternate methods to see if the hammer improves. I don't have any other euphyllia. I just did a water Change so the nitrates should be lower than normal. Sorry I'll finish replying later, I have to go to class. The lighting and flow are ok, I've had it for about 6 months. I ctually thought it was gonna split when it retracted, because wits been getting quite large and 8 shaped. Nothing has changed other than killing a couple Palys and last night I dragged off the small healthy piece of a dying pagoda cup colony. Link to comment
Mariaface Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Is chemipure Carbon? Or Gould I add a bag of zeo carb(that's all I have around). I just did a water change on Friday Chemipure is carbon, yes. And Zeo carb is both carbon and an ammonia remover. The problem is that this isn't a one-time toxicity level, if it's the palys (or other chemical warfare) you're dealing with. The palys are going to keep ruining the water for as long as they're upset and as long as they're around. That's why I suggested a carbon that you can get in bulk, with two media bags that you can alternate or use at the same time (and matrix carbon has larger spherical pieces that won't slip through the media bag). It's cheaper, in the long run, than buying prepackaged media. Link to comment
HarryPotter Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Water changes as well. Vinegar+Glue+Palys= unhappy corals. Link to comment
fishfreak0114 Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 Holy sh*t I'm freaking out, just came home and my plate almost totally bleached. The hammers swirly white things aren't there anymore but it still looks like crap and there is tissue recession around the base. The candy cane looks pissed o off too. Omg what do I do?! I'm doing a 8L water change right now, I'm worried that im gonna lose all my coral. I'm so sad about my plate, it was recovering so well from when I got it and it had minor bleaching Link to comment
fishfreak0114 Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 Here's a pic of the plate, definitely not gonna recover now and the hammer This is definitely the paly toxin Link to comment
ReefWeeds Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Here's a pic of the plate, definitely not gonna recover now and the hammer This is definitely the paly toxin Yikes. Looks like your plate lost flesh actually. Your palys are most likely releasing toxins. Can you get the rocks out that they are on rather than continuing to pollute the water? You need to keep up with major water changes I"m thinking. Link to comment
fishfreak0114 Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 Should I see if a reefer who lives nearby can take the badly affected corals for now? And should I be doing daily water changes? I put in a zeo carb. I'm now terrified to put my hands in the tank, I have eczema so small cuts all over my hands. I don't have gloves long enough to go to the bottom of the tank. What if I set up a five gallon and put the zoa rock in there until I killed them all off? The paly toxin wouldn't kill my other zoas would it? Link to comment
jack1978 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Should I see if a reefer who lives nearby can take the badly affected corals for now? And should I be doing daily water changes? I put in a zeo carb. I'm now terrified to put my hands in the tank, I have eczema so small cuts all over my hands. I don't have gloves long enough to go to the bottom of the tank. What if I set up a five gallon and put the zoa rock in there until I killed them all off? The paly toxin wouldn't kill my other zoas would it? If you have cuts all over your hands....don't get the palytoxin in them. It's no Bueno stuff. I must have missed it....how have you been trying to kill them? Link to comment
ReefWeeds Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Should I see if a reefer who lives nearby can take the badly affected corals for now? And should I be doing daily water changes? I put in a zeo carb. I'm now terrified to put my hands in the tank, I have eczema so small cuts all over my hands. I don't have gloves long enough to go to the bottom of the tank. What if I set up a five gallon and put the zoa rock in there until I killed them all off? The paly toxin wouldn't kill my other zoas would it? Can you just toss the rocks or are there things on those particular rocks you want to keep? Link to comment
fishfreak0114 Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 Or could I cut a many palys off as I can and scrub the rock with a tooth brush and keep up with carbon and wc's? If you have cuts all over your hands....don't get the palytoxin in them. It's no Bueno stuff. I must have missed it....how have you been trying to kill them? I glued over them and I injected a couple escapees the a couple days ago Can you just toss the rocks or are there things on those particular rocks you want to keep? I don't want to lose my 5 other types of zoas that are on it Link to comment
HarryPotter Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Or could I cut a many palys off as I can and scrub the rock with a tooth brush and keep up with carbon and wc's? Cutting the palys will release all the toxin into the tank. Can you just throw away the rock that the Palys are on? Or just chill for a while and let the tank be. Maybe you can save the corals if you stop fighting the Palys for now. Link to comment
ReefWeeds Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Or could I cut a many palys off as I can and scrub the rock with a tooth brush and keep up with carbon and wc's? I glued over them and I injected a couple escapees the a couple days ago I don't want to lose my 5 other types of zoas that are on it You also have flatworms, correct? I was just looking at your thread. Are you sure they're not the thing causing problems on your LPS? Can you take the rock out, chip off the zoas you want to keep and get rid of the rest? If you're slowly killing palys with vinegar injections and glue, I would think they're going to definitely fight back with chemical warfare. just my opinion though. Link to comment
fishfreak0114 Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 Here's a pic of the rock Link to comment
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