MJ1980 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 After getting different answers from 2 lfs i don't know how many fish..big or small can stay in my 45gal tank, and how soon I can add them? Lfs are useless, gotta love nano reef? Link to comment
VW_TDI_02 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 It isn't that simple so of course there are going to be varying answers. Size (girth and not just length), activity level, social habits, etc. are all different variables that need to be taking into account when stocking a tank. [Edit] In regards to adding fish, you can add fish once you've "cycled" your tank. From there, add fish very slowly in order to allow for your bacteria colony to catch up. Link to comment
Maniu Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 It isn't that simple so of course there are going to be varying answers. Size (girth and not just length), activity level, social habits, etc. are all different variables that need to be taking into account when stocking a tank. I agree. It could be one (Moray Eel) or 40 (Peppermint or Eviota gobies). Posting your tank setup/filtration and species you are interested in will help narrow down some choices and number of fish you can comfortably keep in your tank. Link to comment
MJ1980 Posted March 4, 2015 Author Share Posted March 4, 2015 Your usual small fish... Clowns demsals gobys firefish angels?? Maybe star fish if I can get any advice on them??✌️ Link to comment
VW_TDI_02 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Your usual small fish... Clowns demsals gobys firefish angels?? Maybe star fish if I can get any advice on them??✌️ All are different. Dwarf angel fish need a far larger tank than a clown fish even though they are only a little larger. Starfish also vary depending on the species. For example, chocolate starfish aren't reef safe so they wouldn't work in a reef tank anyways. Link to comment
Maniu Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Your usual small fish... Clowns demsals gobys firefish angels?? Maybe star fish if I can get any advice on them??✌️ I would go by the rule of 1 inch of fish per 4 to 5 gallons of water volume (including sump). Of cause, that's very general rule. Some species need more room. Others have special needs. Link to comment
WibblyPig Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Keep in mind that if you add clowns and plan on adding an anemone, you should wait 8-12 months to add the anemone. They should only go in a well established tank. In the mean time, your clowns may adopt something else as host which can be good or bad depending upon what they choose. If you're lucky it will be xenia or GSP. If you're not lucky it will be your most expensive LPS which they'll bother until they kill it. DAMHIKT You could do a flameback angel in a 40, a yellow corris or 6 line wrasse (always nice as they keep coral bugs down), a few firefish, a shrimp goby pair, if you want a group, look at the Cardinals, Allen's (or Neon) Damsel which are the most peaceful of the damsels. Link to comment
Maniu Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Schooling fish is a great idea. Divide your fish to sections they will occupy: bottom, middle, top or all. Then concentrate on compatibility, benefits, needs and aggression. Cardinals are awesome schooling fish. Here is the link to species to choose from (if you can find them of cause) http://www.blueanimalbio.com/fish/osteichthyes/lu/tianzhudiao/tianzhudiao.htm Link to comment
amphipod Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Avoid fish species that breath more if you want to really cram it up, quite a few benthic gobies and blennies will breathe significantly less than for example the pelagic damsel fishes. Link to comment
MJ1980 Posted March 5, 2015 Author Share Posted March 5, 2015 Thank you all for your advice, really appreciated. ? Link to comment
Roshan8768 Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Avoid fish species that breath more if you want to really cram it up, quite a few benthic gobies and blennies will breathe significantly less than for example the pelagic damsel fishes. What? Any data to back this up? Link to comment
Juuls Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 It seems that some LFS have a habbit of doing this to people starting in the hobby. One of mine cause me concern the other day. I am generally loving the information here and it's given from people who have successfully run wonderful tanks as shown in their numerous photo records. The pitfalls along the way are just great snippets of information which i have been trying to soak up. I hope the 45g comes along nicely for you. Link to comment
amphipod Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 What? Any data to back this up?. http://www.researchgate.net/publication/229732880_Tolerance_behaviour_and_oxygen_consumption_in_the_sand_goby_Pomatoschistus_minutus_%28Pallas%29_exposed_to_hypoxia http://m.rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org//content/274/1606/79 here's a couple if you want more I can get more. Link to comment
Cencalfishguy56 Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 It only makes sense with what amphipod is saying, there will be more O2 availability in fish that don't breathe as fast leaving a more comfortable environment for more fish now swimming room that's a hot debate but as long as the fish don't look stressed then hell with it get what you want for the time being lol Link to comment
Psychosis Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 I can not picture a captive environment with more O2 available than a reef tank, let's go ahead and put that at the bottom of your list of concerns. If you're ever really concerned, run an airline from your skimmer to some fresh air. So far as the number of fish, I can only echo what has been said already. I like to look at "utility fish" first, and then stock around them. For example, a 6 line wrasse will pick flatworms/bristle worms apart, but they are extremely active and potentially aggressive, occupying all levels of a tank. A shrimp goby/pistol will constantly move sand around the tank (to the point of being irritating), and a tailspot blenny will pick at fleshy algae. Those are three small fish, two of which are very active, all filling a certain niche, and they're good looking and entertaining to boot. To build around that, look for a few smaller fish, or a couple of larger fish, that have different habits and body shapes to mitigate aggression. You can potentially fit more fish comfortably using this approach, rather than trying to use an inch per x gallons. This also depends on your filtration and available "territories" for the various fish you're looking at. Start with the least aggressive fish on your list, and slowly add the more aggressive live stock. If problems arise, you know it's time to either stop stocking, or reconsider your current inhabitants. Fish can behave wildly outside of what's considered the norm for the species, keep that in mind as well. Link to comment
MJ1980 Posted March 8, 2015 Author Share Posted March 8, 2015 Thanks for all the feed back guys, some brilliant info given!!? Link to comment
amphipod Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 It only makes sense with what amphipod is saying, there will be more O2 availability in fish that don't breathe as fast leaving a more comfortable environment for more fish now swimming room that's a hot debate but as long as the fish don't look stressed then hell with it get what you want for the time being lolexactlyexactly my point, I make all my tanks with no equipment, so that knowledge is vital for me, others it won't matter so much for Link to comment
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