rdck99 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Will used filter floss from my saltwater tank work to seed my new freshwater tank of the beneficial bacteria? Maybe a dumb question, but I wasn't sure if the bacteria that survives in a saltwater tank is capable of surviving in freshwater. Thanks! Link to comment
VW_TDI_02 Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Don't think so. From what I can recall they are different species of bacteria that do the same thing but with one being saltwater and one being freshwater. Not 100% sure about this though. Link to comment
rdck99 Posted February 16, 2015 Author Share Posted February 16, 2015 Don't think so. From what I can recall they are different species of bacteria that do the same thing but with one being saltwater and one being freshwater. Not 100% sure about this though. Thanks for the comment. If anyone else has an opinion, please let me know? Link to comment
LongDoggy Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Purely my opinion, but it may work. Reason I say is that a cycle is kicked off when something spikes ammonia. Something dying and decomposing. I.e. Old food and poop; or what you will find in your floss. Having kept many fresh tanks in the past, I've never found the freshwater cycle to take a long time. But used saltwater floss should get thigs going, but I don't think it will speed up the cycle. Link to comment
brandon429 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 its a neat question consider these details if you poke around long enough on google scholar and regular articles and read dr tim hovanec articles you'll see they are by and large different, but FW ones have made their way into marine samples via genetic verification because they all come from same seed source, same contamination pathways which is how they get around and find the right tanks for their kinds. they arent spore formers, the nitrifiers, so that means they exist live in action in many places (under our fingernails after we lifted something out of the garden for example) and it means that you can setup both a marine aquarium and a fw aquarium side by side in your house, use cleaning ammonia and add no forms of bottled bacteria, and in time both systems will cycle slowly up to the point of fully ready just going off the natural inclusion pathways in any home: -hvac contamination spreading particles where nitrifiers are attached and possibly aerosoled throughout the house -human contamination from touching everything -water we add from the tap has live nitrifiers that were not killed by lack of ammonia in the tap water, nor lack of seed source. pipe scum sloughs them off into our drinking water for example -many other ways, cyano and green hair algae ride these same inclusion modes. we input communities into our tanks without even thinking. amazingly, both fw and marine bacteria live in different environs, but they source from the same modes and somehow find their niche regarding these two different kinds of tanks. amazing they are Link to comment
tibbsy07 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 No it won't work. If you want to do this, find a local reefer and use their filter floss. That will seed your tank. Link to comment
Azedenkae Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 It may work. There are some bacteria that can live in both saltwater and freshwater (and can survive the rapid transition). However they are the exception rather than the norm, and many of your bacteria will just die. Link to comment
atrox Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Will not work, even if some do survive the ones you need won't be there. Link to comment
brandon429 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 But I have a question If marine and fw tanks derive their differing bacteria from the same source, mixed cross contamination in the home, Im wondering how we can guarantee any transfer of infected material cannot seed. for sure its mostly fw bacteria on the used filter, but considering how pervasively mixed the contaminants are in our households this would be very hard to state that any material is free of seedings for any aquatic system. Link to comment
brandon429 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 i smell a little experiment someone could do and make the thread of the week not me=lazy but i like to type at what others have done. Link to comment
rdck99 Posted February 27, 2015 Author Share Posted February 27, 2015 Thanks for the replies everyone. I too was interested by this question, and am glad we finally have some conversation on it! But I have a question If marine and fw tanks derive their differing bacteria from the same source, mixed cross contamination in the home, Im wondering how we can guarantee any transfer of infected material cannot seed. for sure its mostly fw bacteria on the used filter, but considering how pervasively mixed the contaminants are in our households this would be very hard to state that any material is free of seedings for any aquatic system. Good question... Link to comment
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