amphipod Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 I'm embarking on a new experiment, I am going to make an expirimental tank using rock salt normally used for ice melting. I want others input on the experiment. Please post your hypotheses of how this tank will work. Also its Morton brand rock salt. My hypothesis is that it will be able to support aiptasia and several algae easily, though the aiptasia may be slightly stressed. Link to comment
NorthGaHillbilly Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 lordy lordy... at it again my friend Link to comment
seabass Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Why would you try to keep marine animals in just plain sodium chloride? That doesn't sound like a responsible experiment (even for a "pest" species). Link to comment
amphipod Posted February 1, 2015 Author Share Posted February 1, 2015 Why would you try to keep marine animals in just sodium chloride (NaCl)? That doesn't sound like a responsible experiment (even for a "pest" species). no man its the cheap and crappy road salt with the multi color flecks and the faint smell thats much like limestone Theres lots more than NaCl in that salt my friend lordy lordy... at it again my friend lol yes I am. Link to comment
seabass Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Which product? http://www.mortonsalt.com/for-your-home/snow-and-ice-melters/ice-melt-products I would also question the purity of a product designed to melt ice on a road/driveway/sidewalk. Link to comment
Partially Submerged Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 I'm embarking on a new experiment, I am going to make an expirimental tank using rock salt normally used for ice melting. I want others input on the experiment. Please post your hypotheses of how this tank will work. Also its Morton brand rock salt. My hypothesis is that it will be able to support aiptasia and several algae easily, though the aiptasia may be slightly stressed. That's not a hypothesis, it's just a guess. I agree with seabass - all you are going to achieve is hurting or killing a bunch of marine animals. I don't see the point of this. Link to comment
CronicReefer Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 All salt contains the same percentage of NaCl no matter where it comes from. The difference in salts come from the difference in the trace elements that are also in the salt grain and can vary based on where it was harvested from or from what source it came from originally(brine ground water, ocean, salt plains, etc.) For example, lets say rock salt has a high concentration of copper in it compared to sea salt. You will then most likely achieve poisoning all inverts in the tank. Link to comment
amphipod Posted February 1, 2015 Author Share Posted February 1, 2015 Which product? http://www.mortonsalt.com/for-your-home/snow-and-ice-melters/ice-melt-products I would also question the purity of a product designed to melt ice on a road/driveway/sidewalk. http://www.mortonsalt.com/for-your-home/snow-and-ice-melters/ice-melt-products/100/morton-safe-t-salt-rock-salt/this one and the impurity is the point of the experiment. All salt contains the same percentage of NaCl no matter where it comes from. The difference in salts come from the difference in the trace elements that are also in the salt grain and can vary based on where it was harvested from or from what source it came from originally(brine ground water, ocean, salt plains, etc.) For example, lets say rock salt has a high concentration of copper in it compared to sea salt. You will then most likely achieve poisoning all inverts in the tank. I'll test it on algae first. Link to comment
Coolhandreefer Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 I am also embarking on a new experiment, my hypothesis for this new experiment of mine is that amphipod is a troll or he just has issues. What do you guys think will be the outcome? I think it might support amphipods although they may be slightly stressed. Link to comment
amphipod Posted February 1, 2015 Author Share Posted February 1, 2015 Come on why would I be trolling? I haven't trolled the last 1360 posts I've made. I must be an extremely hard core troll lol Link to comment
Coolhandreefer Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 I don't know but I would never throw expired gravy or rock salt into a tank just to see what happens. There has to be an explanation. Link to comment
amphipod Posted February 1, 2015 Author Share Posted February 1, 2015 The explanation is curiosity. Link to comment
seabass Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 You'd be better off using non-iodized table salt. Then contamination would be less of a concern. Link to comment
amphipod Posted February 1, 2015 Author Share Posted February 1, 2015 I'm trying to see if there is even an amount of survivability in those conditions, starting with some algae in the experimental container to be made some time extremely soon Link to comment
seabass Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 If you are doing this as an experiment, you should be testing the levels of the saltwater produced (at least specific gravity, pH, alkalinity, calcium). Again, don't use rock salt designed for melting ice on roads. You'd even be better off with: http://www.mortonsalt.com/for-your-home/water-softening/water-softening-salts/75/white-crystal-rock-salt/ Link to comment
amphipod Posted February 1, 2015 Author Share Posted February 1, 2015 I will tell the specific gravity, but I'm lacking any other test supplies that would be worth anything, I'll see though if I got any copper testers, I actually might have some of them. Might have some Link to comment
StevieT Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 All the years posting Morton salt pic someone finally takes the bait. Link to comment
seabass Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 I'm trying to see if there is even an amount of survivability in those conditions... if you don't know what's in it, you don't know much about the conditions. I remember hearing about a salt lake that was stocked with marine fish. This person knew the levels (which were off), but they seemed to be doing fine. However, I'm still not endorsing the use of live animals in this sort of experimentation. I also remember reading a thread somewhere on DIY salt mix recipes. This fisherman made his own salt mix to keep bait fish alive. I can't recall the details, but it was more than just table salt. If you do some searching, you might be able to find it. Link to comment
aquqcrab Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 DON'T DO IT (yes I know I'm shouting). You'd be crazy to do something so cruel. Link to comment
Chris! Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 I don't know but I would never throw expired gravy or rock salt into a tank just to see what happens. There has to be an explanation. You never did crazy or dumb shit when you were a kid??..... He could be out getting beat into a gang, shooting someone, doing drugs.... so what if he kills some algae or pest anenomes that we all try to rid our systems of anyways. I say go for it kiddo, worst that happens is some shit that woulda been killed intentionally by pretty much anyone else on this site dies anyway. FWIW I used to use Prestone Driveway heat for the calcium portion of my DIY 2 part Link to comment
CronicReefer Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 You never did crazy or dumb shit when you were a kid??..... He could be out getting beat into a gang, shooting someone, doing drugs.... so what if he kills some algae or pest anenomes that we all try to rid our systems of anyways. I say go for it kiddo, worst that happens is some shit that woulda been killed intentionally by pretty much anyone else on this site dies anyway. FWIW I used to use Prestone Driveway heat for the calcium portion of my DIY 2 part I agree let the kid have some fun, it's not like he bought a purple tang for his experiment tank to see if he can turn it yellow. I use pool pH up from Wal-Mart to raise the alkalinity in my tank. $7 and will last me the next 3 years of dosing. Link to comment
RK_tek Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 It's clear that amphipod spends way to much time squirreled away in his/her(doubt 'her' bc the girls on here are way too smart for these antics) room playing on the web pipe. It's one thing to scientifically explore alternatives in our hobby, but you just do dumb stuff all willy nilly like an impulsive 14yo. Link to comment
Chris! Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 I agree let the kid have some fun, it's not like he bought a purple tang for his experiment tank to see if he can turn it yellow. I use pool pH up from Wal-Mart to raise the alkalinity in my tank. $7 and will last me the next 3 years of dosing. Exactly. Yeah I heard you can use that too, I used baking soda tho, still pretty cheap compared to buying the premixed stuff.... I bought a 5g bucket of the salt like 4 yrs ago when I had an sps 180g, and I use it on my driveway/ sidewalks. I still have like half a bucket LOL It's clear that amphipod spends way to much time squirreled away in his/her(doubt 'her' bc the girls on here are way too smart for these antics) room playing on the web pipe. It's one thing to scientifically explore alternatives in our hobby, but you just do dumb stuff all willy nilly like an impulsive 14yo. People spend hundreds of dollars to try out new products in tanks full of hundreds, even thousands of dollars worth of fish and coral... he wants to spend a couple bucks and the only thing at risk is algae and pests that we all try to eradicate anyways..... And hes the one doing dumb shit?? Link to comment
seabass Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Since you seem determined to do this, at a minimum, determine the levels in the resulting mix. But I also recommend you research DIY salt mix recipes, and test it to determine the levels (adjusting if necessary). At least then you could learn something that might be helpful. Link to comment
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