Nano36 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I found a product that has 0.004% copper. Am in a battle with ich and I became desperate for treatment. The 2 questions are if this is a deadly dose to inverts and if it can kill ich? Link to comment
Snow_Phoenix Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 A copper penny fell into the 16G sump of my 30G tank last year. I endured a 90% coral wipeout. Do you really want to take the risk? Link to comment
Nano36 Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 Now that I heard of your tank being nuked by a penny. I ill probably think about it since I dont want to risk anymore deaths. Link to comment
Snow_Phoenix Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Just isolate all your fish in a QT/hospital tank and then treat them with copper. It's more safe that way. Link to comment
Nano36 Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 Problem is that I cant have a QT tank due to reasons. Link to comment
kidd reef Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Problem is that I cant have a QT tank due to reasons. How many fish do you have and what size are they? if you only have a couple small sized fish you could do TTM(tank transfer method) all you need is 2 5 gallon buckets, Some airstones(or some other form of circulation/surface agitation for oxygen) and some ammo lock. move the fish alternatively between buckets every 3 days over a period of 12 days for a total of 4 transfers. Just make sure to Clean all used equipment and let it dry 100% before using it again. This Kills the ich by removing the fish from the enviroment after they have dropped off of the fish and encysted onto a hard surface. the 4 transfers makes sure all of the ich has come off. Only problem with that is no matter your going to need leave your Display tank without fish for 72 days to be 100% sure its ich free Link to comment
Nano36 Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 Main concern for me is getting the fish out. My flame angel is already quite infested and dont want to stress it more.AALso how do you keep an anthias in a 2.5 bucket?!? All other fish can live in a bucket for some time Link to comment
afyounie Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Make sure this is ich and not something else. From what I read from a marine biology presentation on aquatic diseases, marine ich is considered a non-issue. That the ich just weakens the fish, but won't kill it. The bacterial infections do the killing. Improving the water quality, food, and treating for secondary infection should be enough. I have dealt with ich before and keeping the fish healthy worked well in keeping the ich from taking over once it showed up. I did no QTs for ich. Brooklynella and other diseases can look very similar to ich and they will kill the fish. Copper doesn't work to rid the fish of Brooklynella. Only QT and Formalin/FW dips. I have been dealing with this and its a major PITA. I do 10-15 min in temp adjusted freshwater. This causes the cell walls of the Brooklynella to rupture due to the difference in osmotic pressure. Edit: To add to the copper situation. While the solution might not seem to have a lot of copper, you would have to treat for a period of a couple weeks with the copper solution. This would lead to a build up of copper to levels that would wipe everything out. Treating at lower solution levels would achieve nothing but extending the treatment period. Add to this that removing copper from a system is very difficult. Requires water changes and possibly removing rocks and sand that could have absorbed and will then leach the copper back into the tank. Link to comment
Lawnman Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I found a product that has 0.004% copper. Am in a battle with ich and I became desperate for treatment. The 2 questions are if this is a deadly dose to inverts and if it can kill ich? Reef salt has 0.003 to 0.005 of copper in the salt mix. So not really sure what you would hurt or help with that dosage. Link to comment
Nano36 Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 Thanks for the %. Its more like am going to dose a bit and sloowly grow up the copper content Link to comment
Lawnman Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Thanks for the %. Its more like am going to dose a bit and sloowly grow up the copper contentWhat is this product you're using? Link to comment
Nano36 Posted January 27, 2015 Author Share Posted January 27, 2015 Its call "flourish".Also for Afyouine- Yes I know it has to be ich, I once thought velvet but it spreaded WAY too slow to be it.I figured that one of them died from low oxygen in blood caused by very badly gill damage. BTW: Water is great, and they are feed fish eggs & pods periodically with vita-chem in it. Dry food is plankton,nori, and fish pellets. Also so youre saying that if keep in optimal heatj tje secondary infection wont be big of a problem? Link to comment
Nano36 Posted January 27, 2015 Author Share Posted January 27, 2015 Forgot to mention that this is my very first disease outbreak Ive encountered. Link to comment
Mariaface Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Please tell me you're not talking about the plant fertilizer from Seachem. Unless your goal is to grow high-light plants in your aquarium while injecting CO2 and also dosing macros, because seriously. Keep the tank at 80F, stable. Keep feeding well. Test ammonia/nitrite/nitrate to make sure that your nutrient export is also up to par. Keep up on water changes. Don't stress out your fish. Link to comment
jedimasterben Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Thanks for the %. Its more like am going to dose a bit and sloowly grow up the copper content Into your reef or into a quarantine tank? If you do not use a full dosage, it will do nothing against the parasite. Link to comment
Nano36 Posted January 27, 2015 Author Share Posted January 27, 2015 I just picked up some Kick-Ich hope it works. Also theres another reason for dosing seachem, I grow algae for the flame to eat. Link to comment
jedimasterben Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I just picked up some Kick-Ich hope it works. It doesn't. Take it back. Link to comment
Nano36 Posted January 27, 2015 Author Share Posted January 27, 2015 Ill give it a shoot again since last time it work well. Link to comment
LynkUK Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 It doesn't. Take it back. +1 Only 3 things work: 1.Copper treatment in QT 2.Hyposalinity in QT 3.Tank transfer method ...all with keeping DT fallow of fish or extra additions for 8 weeks. ...BTW never treat your display tank. Link to comment
Mariaface Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I just picked up some Kick-Ich hope it works. Also theres another reason for dosing seachem, I grow algae for the flame to eat. The amount of flourish you'd need to add to reach medicating copper levels would be ridiculous. Seriously, get a small tank or tub or something to quarantine in, or just work around the ich and make sure the fish are otherwise healthy and in clean, safe, unstressed conditions. Link to comment
jedimasterben Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Chloroquine phosphate works better than all three on that list, don't forget Ill give it a shoot again since last time it work well. No, it didn't. Metronidazole and its derivatives are ineffective against marine ich. Link to comment
Mariaface Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Ill give it a shoot again since last time it work well. At best, it got rid of secondary problems and allowed the fish to build up slime coats against ich. Link to comment
Nano36 Posted January 27, 2015 Author Share Posted January 27, 2015 Chloroquine phosphate works better than all three on that list, don't forget No, it didn't. Metronidazole and its derivatives are ineffective against marine ich.[/quote Hmm where can I get this chloroquine phosphate and its risk? Link to comment
jedimasterben Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Hmm where can I get this chloroquine phosphate and its risk? http://kmaintl.com/product/chloroquine-20gal-dose Some reading on CP: http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2013/2/fish http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2136214 Link to comment
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