My war against dino

[Jesader]

I just found out I have dinos and i'm deviated. I have done hours of research and I have noticed a lot of conflicting info about water changes. Some say massive water changes and others say no water changes to starve dinos of trace elements. I'm going to hit them with lights out, phosphate remover and I'm unsure about water changes. I really could use some words of encouragement.

[afyounie]

Look at Jedimasterben's tank page. He battled and I think still is battling dino's. Maybe you can learn something from him.

[jedimasterben]

No water changes. Dunno what it does for them or what element they could possibly be limited by, but they will have exponential growth with each change.

 

Do you know what species you are afflicted by?

[Jesader]

No water changes. Dunno what it does for them or what element they could possibly be limited by, but they will have exponential growth with each change.

 

Do you know what species you are afflicted by?

No I have not ID them yet. I used my kids microscope to ID them as dinos, I'm not sure if the microscope is stong enough to tell me what kind.

I do have access to a stronger one at work I could use maybe on Sun to get a better ID. I will hold off with water changes and proceed with phoshate remover and a black out. I've been stalking your thread so I'm very aware of your struggles.Thats why I'm so concerned

[BulkRate]

Sadly each infestation can respond differently. In Jedimasterben's case he accidentally collected one of the worst species of them.

 

All manner of methods may need to be combined to work on yours. You may want to try elevating ph/alk levels for awhile which appeared to clear up the outbreak of whatever mine were, or run a UV + micron filter sock for awhile (think what Ben found most effective in his). One element in common... there's no magic pill or drops to dose & make it all better.

 

Pick a course and react according to what you observe happening in your particular case... best of luck!

[Jesader]

Sadly each infestation can respond differently. In Jedimasterben's case he accidentally collected one of the worst species of them.

All manner of methods may need to be combined to work on yours. You may want to try elevating ph/alk levels for awhile which appeared to clear up the outbreak of whatever mine were, or run a UV + micron filter sock for awhile (think what Ben found most effective in his). One element in common... there's no magic pill or drops to dose & make it all better.

Pick a course and react accordin

g to what you observe happening in your particular case... best of luck!

 

I'm aware that this is going to be tough and there is no magic pill. I have a plan that im going to post with a starting picture of where I'm at now. I'm going to keep this thread updated so that others can learn what worked and didn't work in my case.

[Jesader]

ere is my baseline photo of where im at. This picture makes my want to cry. On a brighter note, it staying off my rock and corals.

 

This is my plan

-No water changes

-Three day black out with tank covered. Tried this before but tank was uncovered. It helped but dinos came back

-use phosgaurd

-Daily vacuum of sand bed into filter sock

-increased kalk strength to keep PH raised

-start vinager dosing again; My dino problem started soon afted I started to dose vinager.At that time I though

I had cyano so I stopped the vinager. I have now noticed that it has gotten worse since stoping the vinager.

 

[jedimasterben]

Doesn't look like dinos to me, cyanobacteria instead. When you have the better microscope, identify them against this reference: http://www.algaeid.com/identification/

 

Watch the videos on that page, as their movement is very particular, especially the spinning action of Ostreopsis.

[Eisernes]

I agree with Jedi that looks an awful like cyano. I get that same brown version.

[Jesader]

Doesn't look like dinos to me, cyanobacteria instead. When you have the better microscope, identify them against this reference: http://www.algaeid.com/identification/'>http://www.algaeid.com/identification/

 

Watch the videos on that page, as their movement is very particular, especially the spinning action of Ostreopsis.

I agree with Jedi that looks an awful like cyano. I get that same brown version.

 

I wish this is cyano. What I saw look just like those in the video. There are roundish and flat and swim. I've already dosed Ultalife red stain remover twice two days apart and It did nothing. Thats when I thought I better get a better look. My kids scope comes with a display screen and I'll try to get a picture of them with it.

 

[jedimasterben]

I wish this is cyano. What I saw look just like those in the video. There are roundish and flat and swim. I've already dosed Ultalife red stain remover twice two days apart and It did nothing. Thats when I thought I better get a better look. My kids scope comes with a display screen and I'll try to get a picture of them with it.

All these 'red slime removers' only work on certain species, and there are hundreds of species of cyanobacteria.

[Jesader]

 

Here is a microscopic picture of what im dealing with. Even though this pictures is not very clear, this does not look like cyano unless im completely missing something. Cyano looks more like filaments. I tried to get a video of them swimming but couldnt get it focused enough.

 

 

 

[jedimasterben]

What species did their motion look like? Go by the link i provided above.

[Jesader]

I belive they are Amphidinium. They move in a slow and random fashion and not fast and circular like Ostreopsis

[Mr. Microscope]

I got rid of my ostreopsis by large frequent water changes, multiple 72 hour black outs, and removing my sandbed. Been free from dinos for about a year.

[Jesader]

I got rid of my ostreopsis by large frequent water changes, multiple 72 hour black outs, and removing my sandbed. Been free from dinos for about a year.

 

I think I'm going to try no water changes for now and if that dosent I'll start wil the large water changes. I don't think I could go bare bottom, I like the look of sand too much, but thanks for the reply.

[brandon429]

MM

No, Ben says that doesn't occur



this is dinos:

any method contemplated has a 20 pct chance of success. it was 100 for those it worked on

all you can do is pick a method

Santa Monica is sure plant refugiums can beat them

Randy Farley considered top reef chemist has beaten them with phosphate control, reinforcing sm's claim.

But nobody cures tank after tank, bout 20% is my call. We may have forced a recent tank into control with Savage uv time will tell

 

when we got a few initial nice after shots from peroxide dosing I had thought it did more for dinos than it does. the 20% is the current gold standard, whoever beats it must compile that in a thread. meaning get about ten pages out and still beating dinos more times than not, smash the current 20% boundary.

[Rehype]

Here is a microscopic picture of what im dealing with. Even though this pictures is not very clear, this does not look like cyano unless im completely missing something. Cyano looks more like filaments. I tried to get a video of them swimming but couldnt get it focused enough.

 

Definitely dinos

[Amphiprion1]

MM

No, Ben says that doesn't occur

this is dinos:

any method contemplated has a 20 pct chance of success. it was 100 for those it worked on

all you can do is pick a method

Santa Monica is sure plant refugiums can beat them

Randy Farley considered top reef chemist has beaten them with phosphate control, reinforcing sm's claim.

But nobody cures tank after tank, bout 20% is my call. We may have forced a recent tank into control with Savage uv time will tell

 

None of the above worked for me. Dino was at absolute worst while I had an algal scrubber. It took over immediately, coated the scrubber and killed the filamentous algae. Based on others' experiences, it is very dependent upon what you have.

[Eckozulu]

Biopellets, zeobak, and kz coral snow worked for me.

[Jesader]

[quotre name=Eckozulu" post="4929586" timestamp="1421195497]Biopellets, zeobak, and kz coral snow worked for me

Thanks for the feedback I welcome all suggestions in case my plan fails and I need to try something else

 

None of the above worked for me. Dino was at absolute worst while I had an algal scrubber. It took over immediately, coated the scrubber and killed the filamentous algae. Based on others' experiences, it is very dependent upon what you have.

Was there anything in particular that did end up helping you?

[Amphiprion1]

Was there anything in particular that did end up helping you?

 

No. Sadly, I am still in the process of a tear-down/rebuild. I have no current results to share, as I have not even reintroduced my fish yet.

[Rehype]

Heres what I did....Your results may vary

 

1. Vacuum as much of the sandbed as possible that is covered with Dinos. Put this contaminated sand in a container full of RO water. Dont return this sand to the tank right away

 

2. Perform a 50% water change. At this point if possible add a 200 micron filter sock to your filtration and replace as needed

 

3. 3 day blackout (your coral will be fine) reduce feedings as well.(Your fish will also be fine)

 

4.At this point cut your photoperiod in half for at least a week and keep track of any dinos

 

5. During this period if possible begin dosing additional bacterial diversity such as zeobak/microbacter. Also try keep your nitrates and phosphates as low as possible

 

6. Another 3 day blackout

 

 

This helped me tremendously as I had the Ostreopsis strain of dinos

[brandon429]

No. Sadly, I am still in the process of a tear-down/rebuild. I have no current results to share, as I have not even reintroduced my fish yet.

If you can believe it

 

Fish are vectors

 

We have high res pics of dinos on their slime coat

 

 

If you put them back in, you are foregoing your startover plan.

 

There is no pest worthy of a tear down other than neomeris annulata

 

Right when we were certain in the other thread that nothing can fix, we put on grossly oversized uv and got some results, still pending. The place to find the pics

 

Seek it out, chem forum, reefscumtral, dinos thread its about twenty or thirty pages of various pics. The pic of dinos imbedded, un removable from the slime coat is best reef pic of 2013

 

That pic alone has charted the course for invasive dinos. Search threads online w pics from 2001 see how many dino tanks were in this forum and others, it is a relatively new pestilence

 

If you have fish that you didn't raise yourself, you are vectoring a tank with dinos potentially.

[Amphiprion1]

If you can believe it

 

Fish are vectors

 

We have high res pics of dinos on their slime coat

 

 

If you put them back in, you are foregoing your startover plan.

 

There is no pest worthy of a tear down other than neomeris annulata

 

Right when we were certain in the other thread that nothing can fix, we put on grossly oversized uv and got some results, still pending. The place to find the pics

 

Seek it out, chem forum, reefscumtral, dinos thread its about twenty or thirty pages of various pics. The pic of dinos imbedded, un removable from the slime coat is best reef pic of 2013

 

That pic alone has charted the course for invasive dinos. Search threads online w pics from 2001 see how many dino tanks were in this forum and others, it is a relatively new pestilence

 

If you have fish that you didn't raise yourself, you are vectoring a tank with dinos potentially.

 

I have already accounted for this with freshwater dips and possibly hyposalinity quaratine.