Euphyllia Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 This is fish related and applies to marine tanks too, and since NR is an active forum I'm posting it here. I got about 40 see-thru guppies today (genetically like that, not lab-made -- you can see the babies in the mum's stomach) and put them in my 2-month cycled tank. They're all doing great. However, in shipping, it seems as though one of them (a young male) was bent somehow, maybe getting caught in the corner of the bag. His body is curved and he swims vertically now. Is there a way to humanely cull the guy without going extreme and cutting his head off? I know that's the best way people have agreed upon for humaneness, but I just can't stomach that. What are humane culling options that don't involve me mutilating the fish? (I'd never cull a fish, but this guy is probably going to die either way because the others will probably get all the food, he struggles to swim around)... Link to comment
NorthGaHillbilly Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 This is fish related and applies to marine tanks too, and since NR is an active forum I'm posting it here. I got about 40 see-thru guppies today (genetically like that, not lab-made -- you can see the babies in the mum's stomach) and put them in my 2-month cycled tank. They're all doing great. However, in shipping, it seems as though one of them (a young male) was bent somehow, maybe getting caught in the corner of the bag. His body is curved and he swims vertically now. Is there a way to humanely cull the guy without going extreme and cutting his head off? I know that's the best way people have agreed upon for humaneness, but I just can't stomach that. What are humane culling options that don't involve me mutilating the fish? (I'd never cull a fish, but this guy is probably going to die either way because the others will probably get all the food, he struggles to swim around)... My mom has some 20 or so generation inbred guppies, some of them show the "bent back" but seem to do fine. Link to comment
hey Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 clove oil, contains an old school anesthetic and overdosing water that you place a fish in will put it unconscious and kill it. eugenol if you are curious Link to comment
Cameron6796 Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 Hm the above is very smart idea where did you come up with it, or find it Link to comment
evan38109 Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 Two vets have told me to use freezing, but don't just take the fish in tank water and toss it in the freezer. Before you touch the fish, prepare water as close to freezing as possible by adding ice or putting the container in the freezer. Add the fish when the water temperature is near freezing. I've been told that it induces shock and a quick death. ...but there's lots of debate on the topic. I'm sorry that you're in this position. Link to comment
Euphyllia Posted October 11, 2014 Author Share Posted October 11, 2014 Two vets have told me to use freezing, but don't just take the fish in tank water and toss it in the freezer. Before you touch the fish, prepare water as close to freezing as possible by adding ice or putting the container in the freezer. Add the fish when the water temperature is near freezing. I've been told that it induces shock and a quick death. ...but there's lots of debate on the topic. I'm sorry that you're in this position. Here's my thought on that though... You introduce it to freezing water, it goes into shock an dies. That's a hard death for the fish, and what if it keeps squirming for a bit before it can't move anymore? If you put it in a bag in the freezer and let it slowly freeze, it just gets colder and colder gradually until the fish loses consciousness and then freezes solid. Cold isn't that painful, but at least it would be slow and wouldn't shock the fishy. Link to comment
Mirya Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 clove oil, contains an old school anesthetic and overdosing water that you place a fish in will put it unconscious and kill it. eugenol if you are curious This is probably the easiest and most humane way to do it at home. The American Veterinary Medical Association guidelines recommend keeping the fish in the water with the clove oil for 10 minutes beyond when the operculum (gill cover) stops moving. I know some people advocate placing the fish in the freezer at that point to guarantee that it is really dead since the eugenol can potentially just anesthetize the fish. Another option, less humane IMO than the clove oil, would be to put the fish in a small container of saltwater, then drop an AlkaSeltzer tab into the water. This will spike the CO2 levels in the water which will also knock the fish out. I'd follow-up by freezing once the fish is out. Link to comment
Han Solo Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 In all honesty wouldn't chopping the head off be pretty much just as humane as these other methods? I mean it seems like the fastest, least painful death. Works for humans. Link to comment
Liamgray90 Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 Poor little fish just cause he is bent you wouldn't kill a human for being wonky would you When i fish for pike I just wack them round the head haha Link to comment
hey Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 he is culling to prevent the potential of passing the deformity to the offspring as well not just because the fish is in bad shape. Breeders cull to keep lines healthy by removing bad genes not just breeding for desirables. Link to comment
Formula462 Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 For a small fish like that, I just put them in a spec cup with tank water. Then I prepare two patio paver stones. I take the fish out of the water but leave it in the net. I then quickly lay the net on the flat paver and slam the other one down on it with God's wrath. No more fishy. Link to comment
brandon429 Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 We'll step on a cricket but euthanize a guppY what the heck? we have wierd standards. I flush, sorry. just admitting consistency in the animal dispatch department. Can you post pics of fully transparent guppies that show the babies never seen those in 25 yrs aquarium keeping. Im sure they are there, just new to me. Link to comment
Halo_003 Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 Just keep it and call it Nostradamus. Pick up a 2.5gallon tank and keep it in there alone to take care of. Link to comment
farkwar Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 We'll step on a cricket but euthanize a guppY what the heck? we have wierd standards. I flush, sorry. just admitting consistency in the animal dispatch department. Can you post pics of fully transparent guppies that show the babies never seen those in 25 yrs aquarium keeping. Im sure they are there, just new to me. QFT. Glad someone wrote it. I wish Walt Disney were born in China or Russia. Link to comment
brandon429 Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 ha!!!!!! that good but not as good as the peroxide cat meme someone explained to me. mems rul Link to comment
Euphyllia Posted October 11, 2014 Author Share Posted October 11, 2014 We'll step on a cricket but euthanize a guppY what the heck? we have wierd standards. I flush, sorry. just admitting consistency in the animal dispatch department. Can you post pics of fully transparent guppies that show the babies never seen those in 25 yrs aquarium keeping. Im sure they are there, just new to me. True. Sure! As soon as I saw pictures of these guys I was like "dayum I must has them"... AGTF originally bred these I think. It was explained to me as these ones don't have they silvery lining around their stomachs, which makes them "see-thru"... I can see their intestines clearly, and I can see the eyes of their babies very clearly. These are the most similar to mine, but my males have round tails. The bottom pic you can see the eggs inside the females. Also you may notice that one of the females has a huge tail -- I have maybe 3 or 4 females like that with very long pectoral fins too, I think they're referred to as swallow tails. The males of this strain are not see-thru, however. Here's the actual fish in my tank (notice the swallow tail female in the top center)... None of the female in this pic are pregnant so I guess you can't really tell that they're see-thru, but I have maybe 2 or 3 in the tank that are pregnant and about to drop. I have a lot of fry in the tank too that were either born in the mail or last night. I used peat moss for the substrate because this was gonna be for nothobranchius (substrate-spawning killifish) but then I decided guppies were better as always. <3 Link to comment
farkwar Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 ha!!!!!! that good but not as good as the peroxide cat meme someone explained to me. mems rul http://s1078.photobucket.com/user/RichardSperry/media/Screenshot_2013-07-14-04-11-16.png.html][/url] Eye of the beholder, those are some ugly ass fish. Hope they didnt cost too much. Link to comment
brandon429 Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 yes that exact one only now its bigger easier to read I needed to grab it again anyway excellent Guppies: wow look at that gut tracing through the body. Truly neat, had never seen. I dont flush caulerpa Link to comment
MikeTR Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 these... neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed these i do yes yes gimmah gimmah riiiite nnneeooooow Link to comment
brandon429 Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 thats the baddest pico reef fish ever seen Link to comment
Euphyllia Posted October 12, 2014 Author Share Posted October 12, 2014 I decided to just flush him. Link to comment
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