Fishtales Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Hi all, I'm hoping to get your opinions on a sick bubble tip that I have. I am keeping a 29g Biocube with stock lighting (PC). I currently have several soft corals and LPS that are doing really well and have grown quite a bit since I added them. My BTA has been in the aquarium for about 1 month and has recently been declining (or appears to be). I have been feeding it one small (1/2 inch) chunk of scallops weekly and it has been eating well until now. Currently, the base remains securely attached to the rock, but the tentacles have retracted severely. For the majority of the time, the mouth remains closed. It has been closing up at night, and opening when the lights come on, with no inflation of the tentacles. I recently returned from a weekend away and noticed that my nitrates were high (20-30), so I did at 25% water changed and bought new chemipure elite for the filter. I tested the rest of my parameters and they are in check. I attached some pics and I am hoping someone can help me out (sorry about the quality - i'm relying on my iphone for pics for now). Does it look close to death? Should I remove it now to prevent harm to the rest of my tank? Do you think the nitrate spike is related to the health of the BTA? Thanks. Quote Link to comment
Fishtales Posted April 9, 2012 Author Share Posted April 9, 2012 Also I forgot to mention that it began looking deflated about 4 days ago and has looked as pictured for 2 days now. Quote Link to comment
Red Sea Reefer Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 I'm adding a gbta to my BC29 this week. My understanding is that the stock lighting is NOT enough. I run a kessil LED. Unless you correct the conditions it will continue to go downhill fast. Do you know anybody that has a tank with better lighting. You need to take action quick or the nem will be no more. Take a look at karensroseanemone.net. Lots of good info there. Quote Link to comment
Bishop Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 I dont see a huge problem at the moment. Changes in the tank will cause mine to look like that for many days at a time. What is your water change schedule? How old is the tank? Other problems could be that it has just given up on your weak lighting as well as being a bit to small for the clownfish Quote Link to comment
Fishtales Posted April 9, 2012 Author Share Posted April 9, 2012 Thanks for the quick replies. My tank is 6 months old and I have been maintaining a schedule of 25% water change every 2 weeks. I have a feeling that my lighting is indeed too low, but the weird thing is that the BTA hasn't attempted to move around the tank to a more suitable spot (I've read that they often move around a lot prior to dying). Perhaps I'll watch it for another day or two to see if it improves, then attempt to move it to a tank with more intense lighting. Thanks again I dont see a huge problem at the moment. Changes in the tank will cause mine to look like that for many days at a time. What is your water change schedule? How old is the tank? Other problems could be that it has just given up on your weak lighting as well as being a bit to small for the clownfish Thanks Bishop. How many days in a row did yours look like this? I'm wondering how long I should wait before removing it. Ya the clownfish never leaves the BTA, so that could be a factor too. Quote Link to comment
Lawnman Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Bump your waterchanges to 20% a week and feed it 3 times a week. I do not think it is dying. You will know when it is dying. It will start to have my stringy mucus coming out of the mouth and the tenacles will start to fall off. Quote Link to comment
Lawnman Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 The RBTA is not closed up because of weak lighting. If lighting is to weak they stretch for more light they do not close up. I would say if anything it is because of high nitrates. 2 Quote Link to comment
jestep Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 (edited) I'd say there is a problem and it's not the light. Mainly because you say he's been in decline for the past month. BTA's a pretty hardy. I've seen them go for weeks without any direct light and suffered no loss in mass. If this was a 2 or 3 day thing, I wouldn't be too concerned. My 2 guesses are the clown is messing it up by over hosting it and/or the water params aren't stable enough. They need stable parameters and not necessarily a specific target. 20ppm NO3 that is always 20ppm is better than bouncing conditions. I would make sure you are doing water changes on a specific schedule, and making sure to match salinity and temp at the very least. Also, adding a lot of purigen, carbon, GFO or anything else all at once can also do more harm than good. I would stop feeding him for now as well. They get most of their growth and energy from the lighting. Feeding is probably just messing with the water conditions. I would work on stabilizing the tank, observe and try to react accordingly. Unless it starts dissolving or detaches from the rock, I wouldn't take it out. If you have a friend with a really stable tank with high lighting, it might be a good idea to lend it to them so they can fully revive it. Edited April 9, 2012 by jestep 1 Quote Link to comment
Red Sea Reefer Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 I'm learning alot here. Good thread. Quote Link to comment
Tbone675 Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 But if has been light starved long enough and it is continually pestered by the clown...shrivel then death...that being said I would still run a full system pram check. Quote Link to comment
Fishtales Posted April 10, 2012 Author Share Posted April 10, 2012 Thanks for all the great input everyone. I'll monitor closely for the next little while and consider moving it to a better suited tank if there is no improvement. I'll update this thread with the results in a week or so. Quote Link to comment
Lawnman Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 I'd say there is a problem and it's not the light. Mainly because you say he's been in decline for the past month. BTA's a pretty hardy. I've seen them go for weeks without any direct light and suffered no loss in mass. If this was a 2 or 3 day thing, I wouldn't be too concerned. My 2 guesses are the clown is messing it up by over hosting it and/or the water params aren't stable enough. They need stable parameters and not necessarily a specific target. 20ppm NO3 that is always 20ppm is better than bouncing conditions. I would make sure you are doing water changes on a specific schedule, and making sure to match salinity and temp at the very least. Also, adding a lot of purigen, carbon, GFO or anything else all at once can also do more harm than good. I would stop feeding him for now as well. They get most of their growth and energy from the lighting. Feeding is probably just messing with the water conditions. I would work on stabilizing the tank, observe and try to react accordingly. Unless it starts dissolving or detaches from the rock, I wouldn't take it out. If you have a friend with a really stable tank with high lighting, it might be a good idea to lend it to them so they can fully revive it. Just curious when has anything in a reef tank improved from not feeding it? He should keep feeding it and up his waterchanges plain and simple. Quote Link to comment
mike c Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 (edited) Just curious when has anything in a reef tank improved from not feeding it? He should keep feeding it and up his waterchanges plain and simple. It's very easy to overfeed a BTA. Whether hungry or not, it will try and take food. It will then spit out its half digested food a day or two later. They don't need to be fed THAT often. A 1/2 silverside will sustain it for days. Do NOT "keep feeding" it. Weekly water changes will benefit your tank in every aspect. I've kept RBTA under PCs (JBJ28) for months without problems. When I switched to LEDs, it stopped bulbing its tips. Although healthy, it lost its attractive plump look. They don't need as high of light as previously thought, more important is stable parameters. Edited April 11, 2012 by mike c Quote Link to comment
revo31 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I also have a bta that want sure it he was dying How do I attached a picture? Quote Link to comment
Lawnman Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I also have a bta that want sure it he was dyingHow do I attached a picture?Best way is upload it to photobucket then copy and paste the img code Good lord this thread is 3 years old 1 Quote Link to comment
ndrobey Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 It needs more light, less nitrates. Quote Link to comment
Piggy77 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Great thread ,we are having same trouble with RBT ,it was with our Clarkii clowns but they were to big and would not leave it alone, so moved it to our other tank, still not looking great but just did water change,but the mouth opens up big every evening and we have fed it for five days . Quote Link to comment
BTAmia Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 I have a BTA that has been deflated for 2 months. You would think it would have died by now but he sits there wedged in the rock . My water parameters are all perfect, not too much lighting nor too little, correct water flow and a massive area for it to grow but nothing has changed. 2 weeks ago it stopped eating, every now and again there is the bare minimal that he eats but it’s really nothing. If it was unhappy he would have moved already, wouldn’t he? i don’t know what to do. Should I be removing him from the tank so if he does suddenly die he won’t contaminate the rest of the tank or should I leave him in there? Quote Link to comment
DevilDuck Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 I had this happen to two BTA's, one is still in the display, the other I removed and disposed of since it detached. First the tentacles no longer inflate, the body doesn't inflate itself fully, so it looks like a toadstool leather coral. Since it has no extended tentacles, I assume it is no longer eating. The current BTA is on the highest point on my rock work next to some sps and acro frags. So I know it is getting enough light. It is still attached and will move around the rock a bit. I leave them and let nature take its course. 1 Quote Link to comment
dling Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Can you raise it higher in the tank any higher to get it closer to the light ? Quote Link to comment
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