banshee Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 I started a JBJ 3G for the 3 and under pico contest. I did my first WC thus far by using a cup and taking out the amount I wanted to change. I figure that's fine for now but once I add some life I'll need to clean the rock and sand too. How do you do this? My siphon for my BC 14 is way too large and would remove most of the water in a few seconds. Do I use airline tubing? Something else? Thanks in advance! Link to comment
11GTCS Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Yeah I have had the same experience so far and could use some tips myself. Link to comment
Chrisl1976 Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 I'd say to smaller changes more frequently since you dont want water levels to drop. Cup every few days. Or if you are really talented.....Slow syphon out and a slow syphon into the tank. Two 1/2 gallon bottles. Fill one with new SW. Same hose size. Let it syphon into the talk and the other hose syphon water out of the tank. Water level will never drop then. Fill at the surface and pull from the bottom. Link to comment
21093r53 Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 For small tanks and tight spaces use air line tubing to drain water Link to comment
HVani Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 +1^ It's what I used on my nano freshwater shrimp tank. Link to comment
brandon429 Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Try to find a three gallon tank or less, on any forum on the Web older than three years still running. we can't. Its because of too little water changes Either drain and change all the water or most of it as often as you can, nothing is harmed. Match only temp and sg. I bet we can't even find a two year one still going with pics, but everyone will say they had a ten year one, years ago. newmans tank is getting there Every contest tank set up on here in the last few years is gone, we are repeating this loop over and over Link to comment
21093r53 Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Try to find a three gallon tank or less, on any forum on the Web older than three years still running. we can't. Its because of too little water changes Either drain and change all the water or most of it as often as you can, nothing is harmed. Match only temp and sg. I bet we can't even find a two year one still going with pics, but everyone will say they had a ten year one, years ago. newmans tank is getting there Every contest tank set up on here in the last few years is gone, we are repeating this loop over and over You don't think people expanding has anything to do with it? Link to comment
brandon429 Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Nope, that's a small percentage. Current methods get you 20 months at best in a total luck scenario But the real average is 12 mos until algae wipes everything and the tank is 'upgraded' People rarely take down working pico reefs but I can count a few on one hand. Upgrades are done for lack of better outcomes almost always Sometimes hardware/external issues crash a nano faster than a large tank but removing that, the average lifespan of 3 gallon contest tanks here is 12 mos. Link to comment
matty0206 Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 I used my aqualifter from my ato on my 3g to change water. Just reverse the in out and stick it in the water. I agree with Brandon in the fact you need to do large water changes. I would drain mine almost to the sand. Link to comment
banshee Posted March 27, 2012 Author Share Posted March 27, 2012 This is on my desk at work. I also have a betta. I do water changes on him minimum once a week, sometimes twice so my pico will be getting water changes at the same time. After the contest I may move some stuff over to my BC14 to make it easier to maintain but I do hope it will be a longterm tank. I'll bring some airline tubing from home and see how that works out. Thanks! Link to comment
duoc9119 Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 What I have done with my tank is make a small siphon vacuum using airline tubing and a section of rigid airline tubing. You can easily slip the airline tubing over the rigid tubing. I also heated the end of the rigid tubing to create a "bowl" to cover a little more area than 1/16" It does get clogged by sand unfortunately when cleaning close to the sandbed. I'm working on a rubber scrubbing tip for it so sand doesn't get sucked up Link to comment
brandon429 Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 I always wanted to pay someone to drill a tap like on a huge jar of iced tea so I could just flip a lever and drain it all out no tubes!! El fabs thread above shows the least possible water change work for long term, 50% religiously each week. Less than that and tank crashes of algae or cyano before 20 mos although it may run a year on monthly wc Link to comment
banshee Posted March 27, 2012 Author Share Posted March 27, 2012 I think I'll do 25% twice a week like I do on my BC. That way I'll just mix the new water when I'm getting it ready for the BC and bring it with me to work the next morning. Temp isn't really a factor with no life right now. In a few weeks I'll get a small heater that I can drop in the jug before I do the change. Link to comment
Jacob042426 Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Brandon, you need to rewrite the pico guide. Link to comment
gimptastic matt Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Hi i have a 2 gallon pico and i change 250ml twice a day and a 1 litre chamge on sunday i use airline to siphon from the tank hope this video helps it shows my setup for water changes Link to comment
Aubzilla Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 I use a turkey baster on my tiny FW tanks and I plan on using one for my Edge once I get it set up. You could also use a small syringe in harder to reach places. Link to comment
PinkDamsel Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 This is on my desk at work. Yay, another Picotope at the office! I'm glad you asked the question because I've wondered the same thing. Currently use 0.5" tube, and it drains too fast to do any vaccuming or siphoning of rock. What I have done with my tank is make a small siphon vacuum using airline tubing and a section of rigid airline tubing. You can easily slip the airline tubing over the rigid tubing. I also heated the end of the rigid tubing to create a "bowl" to cover a little more area than 1/16" It does get clogged by sand unfortunately when cleaning close to the sandbed. I'm working on a rubber scrubbing tip for it so sand doesn't get sucked up Duoc, this sounds interesting. Can we see pictures? Link to comment
Dnanoreefer Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 i have a mini siphon just like the bigger one i use on the cube. i got it from petco for like 8 bucks i think. works awesome and i can siphon the sandbed. i change 2 cups mid week and than 4 on sunday with the addition of siphoning the sand. everything is doing awesome. Link to comment
metrokat Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Try to find a three gallon tank or less, on any forum on the Web older than three years still running. we can't. Its because of too little water changes Either drain and change all the water or most of it as often as you can, nothing is harmed. Match only temp and sg. I bet we can't even find a two year one still going with pics, but everyone will say they had a ten year one, years ago. newmans tank is getting there Every contest tank set up on here in the last few years is gone, we are repeating this loop over and over I'm with Brandon. I'm lazy with my water changes and because I have rocks and sand I don't always get to change 100% but changing all of the water is my goal with every WC. I also feed heavy the day before I do the change. Link to comment
got2envy Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 I used a turkey baster and blew all the detrius off the rocks then used a cup to change 25%..I did my first water change today Link to comment
Dnanoreefer Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 the mini siphon is made by aqueon btw Link to comment
iball1804 Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I use airline tubing for the siphoning and a cup (actual measuring tool, not drinking cup) for the water changes. Link to comment
.Newman. Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 i use a standard syphon. its rather quick, but you cant really get the detritis very well. air tube is good for detritis. Link to comment
andrewkw Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 My 2 gallon pico is approaching 2 years old. I have not been photographing it lately due to an algae outbreak that I'm finally killing off, but I do still have several corals that have been in there the entire time. I do a 50% water change anywhere from every 1-4 weeks. Weekly would be ideal but sometimes I don't bother sometimes thus I had some problems. I use airline tube for the water change and a turkey baster to still up detritus. IMO ALL pico tanks should be bare bottom. A sandbed is just asking for trouble in a tiny tank. From time to time I'll take the entire rockwork out and blast it. It also helps me confirm my goby who hides 100% of the time is still alive. Link to comment
brandon429 Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I'm completely unopposed to using any means to reduce water changes and still get same life span, the safe method of aggressive water changes sure is wasteful Its all I know how to do for predictability... One day there will be miniaturized filters, or some assemblage of ones we already have to really stave off water changes. PinkDamsel I wanted to send you this link it is a description of such a device for larger systems, in addition it is really really good detail on biochemistry in the reef, written really well I read and reread it for good absorbtion http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2012/2/aaf...paign=clickthru Link to comment
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