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I decided to create this thread after seeing many people DIY'ing Ecoxotic's Panorama Pros into their stock hoods. I just wanted to give an alternative option, on how to install them. Most, if not all installs I come across, involve simply mounting the moduled to the inside of the hood. This may be fine, but also starts the debate to wheather or not the modules will burn out prematurely, due to excess heat and/or moisture. Fans, no fans, rubber washers, spacers, reflector, no reflector....?

I have come across more than one thread, about peoples modules burning out, flashing, or frying. The "newer" modules have a safety, that will flash the modules if they get too hot. If this happens, then obviously theres a heat issue. The modules are designed to emit/release heat from the heatsinks (which are the "fins" on the top of the module). The LED diodes themselves do not emit heat, down into the tank, but rather up and out through the heatsinks. Covering these heatsinks, or insufficient cooling will cause them to overheat. Even with fans, the modules are STILL contained...this just adds to moisture...which is bad. Unlike PCs, MH, and T5, which emit heat directly from the bulb, and down into the tank. I can see here, where fans would be effective. With that said, the Ecoxotic website states they are water "proof". In actuality, they're more like water "resistant". Sure they can withsatnd an accidental drop in water, but they sure in the hell can't be ran underwater. I've talked to Ecoxotic on this issue, and they too have had customers burn out modules because they (the customer) had completely contained the modules under a hood. Now being the great company that Ecoxotic is, they replaced the modules free of charge. But how many more times can they do this before threy deem it cost ineffective?

So...the way I installed them into my hood, was to simply cut out sections of the hood, where the module's heatsinks would be fully exposed to the air, allowing for maximum heat release. On a side note, I've had this install reviewed by Ecoxotic, with the answer of, "Great retro! You should have no problems with the way you installed those."

-Keep in mind this is on a JBJ28-

Tools I used:
-Dremel tool w/diamond tip cutting wheel, pink grinder, and a routing tool.
-Needle nose pliers
-Hand screwdriver
-Blue painters tape
-Measuring tape
-Safety glasses
-And the MOST important...your favotite drink/beer
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FIRST...Remove the hood from the tank, by popping it out of the clips that are on the back wall of the tank. This can be tricky, as it feels like they're going to break or snap off. I used a pair of needle nose pliers, to help open up the clip, and pull the small "bar" out of the clip.
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SECOND...Remove the plastic splash guard, by unscrewing all the screws around it's perimeter. (save the screws and splash guard)

THIRD...Unplug the stock PC light from the power supply, and pop it out of the metal clips that hold it in place. You should now be looking the chrome reflector.

FOURTH...Remove the reflector. This is now useless, as LEDs direct light down. Unlike MH, T5, or PC, which are bulbs, and emit light 360deg. These need reflectors to reduce lost light, by bouncing off the reflector, and redirecting down into the tank. The reflector is mounted into place by rivets. These will need to be cut. I simply used the needle nose pliers to bend/deform the rivets till I could pull the reflector off. (sorry no pics for this step)

You should now be left with a fully intact hood, minus the light and reflector. If you want to remove the fans and moon lights...your on your own. I left them in. I dont use the fans, but I do use the moon lights. I'm trying to make this install as simple as possible.

FIFTH...Decide how many modules you are going to install, and measure out where you will make your cuts. Use the blue painters tape, to mask off and line where your going to make your cuts. I installed 3 P-Pros. I started at the very front of the hood, along the wall, that's right behind the feeding door...make sense? My cuts were 11 5/8" by 2". With 1 1/2" gap between each module.
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SIXTH...Use the diamond tip cutting wheel to cut along the blue tape. If you take too long in one spot, the wheel will get hot, and melt the plastic of the hood, distorting your cut. So be steady and smooth with your cuts, backing off every few seconds, allowing cool down. Once your cuts have been made, attatch the pink (fine) grinding tool to smooth out out your edges.

SEVENTH...You will notice that the modules are a about 1/4" longer than the space allowed inside the hood. This is where I used the routing tool, to shave down some of the left and right side of the wall, so the modules can sit flush on the hood.2012_01_15_19_34_57_893___Copy___Copy__2_.jpg

EIGHTH...Drop the modules into place, and screw them down. The "tabs or "wings" of the modules should sit right on top of the hood, while the modules themselves should drop right into the cuts you made. Leaving the heatsinks flush with the top of the hood, and freely exposed to the air. Simply use small screws, one on each end, to mount the modules to the hood.
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NINTH...Flip the hood over, and reinstall the splash guard using the original screws you saved from earlier. You'll find adequete space to run the cords under the shield, through the back, and out of the hood.
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TENTH...Replace the hood back onto the tank, plug in...and enjoy!!!
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Stock, flush look...(1) 445nm, (1) 12k, and (1) magenta/445nm.
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Edited by mike c, 12 July 2012 - 09:13 PM.


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Sweet that looks great. I have a complete extra hood for my 28nano just waiting to do something like this. Currently I am running a 150watt metal halide bulb with 2 15watt actinic bulbs. i have no problem with this setup, temp stays right at 80 degrees and corals all look good. Do you think doing this to my other hood would benefit me in any way other than electric cost? Any info would be great.
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Sweet that looks great. I have a complete extra hood for my 28nano just waiting to do something like this. Currently I am running a 150watt metal halide bulb with 2 15watt actinic bulbs. i have no problem with this setup, temp stays right at 80 degrees and corals all look good. Do you think doing this to my other hood would benefit me in any way other than electric cost? Any info would be great.
Thanks


Thanks. Theres a few benefits to running LEDs. The most obvious is cost efficiency. Another would be little to no heat emitted into the tank. If your MHs are part of your heating, then you'd need to pick up a heater, as the LEDs aren't going to warm the tank. On the flip side, you may not need a chiller if your running one now. Even with LEDs I still need a chiller, so there's other factors that come into play. LEDs also do not promote algae growth. And of course, you can get some pretty nice color combos to get your corals to really pop.

It sounds like your pretty happy with your current setup. Id say wait till you have to replace the bulbs, or run into an issue with the lights. Then decide if you want to switch over to LED. By then, I'm sure new stuff will be on the market.

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Would reinforsed cut off wheels work instead of dimond blade?

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Would reinforsed cut off wheels work instead of dimond blade?

Anything that'll cut through plastic will work fine. I just used the diamond cutting wheel cause its what I had at the time. It's actually probably a little overkill for cutting plastic. I usually use it to cut rock and bone when I frag corals.

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are you able to simulate a dusk and dawn with the three diffrent strips ? how do you have them connected?

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are you able to simulate a dusk and dawn with the three diffrent strips ? how do you have them connected?

You can if you have them connected to separate power supplies. I just have then connected to one, and manually click on the lights to simulate the dawn/dusk effect. Blues at 10am, magenta at 1030, then whites at 11. Then reverse starting at 8pm. I admit, its a PITA...

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Bumping because I should be doing this later tonight! ;)

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How is the heat dissipation in the cube? are you not using the fans at all?

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How is the heat dissipation in the cube? are you not using the fans at all?


Im not using any fans at all. I left them in the hood, but they're disconnected. Inside the tank there's no added heat whatsoever. The top of the heatsinks though, get SUPER hot, which is why I chose to cut the hood.

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Are you still happy with Aesthetics of the color scheme? I was thinking of doing something very similar, and hoping to have a clam and sps corals.

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Are you still happy with Aesthetics of the color scheme? I was thinking of doing something very similar, and hoping to have a clam and sps corals.


Yeah, Im very happy with the color. The magenta/445nm's really add a different tone than the standard 20k or blue look. SPS does great under these lights. While I still suggest standard practice of "sps up top", and lps/softies mid to lower column", you should have no problem keeping a clam or sps (as long as you supplement the correct amount/frequency of food for the clam).

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Getting pretty good growth under (3) Panorama Pros..

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Birds nests normally grow pretty quick. Are you dosing?

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Birds nests normally grow pretty quick. Are you dosing?


Besides dosing Ca and KH? I dose a little of everything, but not on a regular basis, sporadic at best. Reef Nutrition Live Phyto, Oyster Feast, Coral Smoothie, Coral Frenzy, AquaVitro Fuel...but all the bottles are still full. I'd probably get better growth if I stick to a regiment. Weekly water changes and 24/7 skimming is the meat-n-potatoes.

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A couple pics of my male clown in a Fuzzy Mushroom.
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Got rid of my Percs today. The female was getting too aggressive for my liking. Maybe now my Duncans and Hammer will show their true size.

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Got rid of my Percs today. The female was getting too aggressive for my liking. Maybe now my Duncans and Hammer will show their true size.

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:( I'm in the same boat with my O's. :(

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Sucks getting rid of them, I've had em for over a year :( But it had to be done. My mandarin always hid, and my anthias tails were nipped. Besides, Ive been wanting to lessen my fish load and focus more on coral.

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Very Clever trick! I like it, so clean.

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Very Clever trick! I like it, so clean.

Thanks. It worked just fine, but I decided to go open top, and use the Ecoxotic fixture.