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jmorris
OK, two votes for the red stripe (also the name of a refreshing Jamaican lager, which gives it extra points), but I'm still conflicted... the red head was my first wub.gif as far as gobies go after all. I think I need to go see the gobies she has in person to decide... but I wont be adding a goby for 1-2 months anyway, so I've got time. I also need to look into the actuall habitat preference of both these gobies more thouroughly to decide if they will even do well enough in my tank to bother with.

Thanks for looking SLO, and YGPM

BTF, the pipe coming out of the top right corner in the main tank is the inlet from the raised refugium. About 3/4 of the flow from the Mag5 return from the sump gos tothe main tank, the rest goes to the refugium first, where it flows back to the main tank through natural gravity/siphon action... I'll try and get a few plumbing shots on in the next couple days. I still need to set up my ATO too though, so give me some time.

Thanks for looking and commenting, I feel the love again! blush.gif

Jared
Blind Tree Frog
If it helps I can give you a simple way to help decide on which fish. To quote what you said.

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Also, my fish choice may change, as my friend just informed me she may have some really neat little gobies which may edge-out the very cool red-head goby in cuteness/coolnes points...
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Now, let's focus on the key words in that.

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Also, my fish choice may change, as my friend just informed me she may have some really neat little gobies which may edge-out the very cool red-head goby in cuteness/coolnes points...


To reword
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Hey, tee hee. I've got these super cute teenie little cool fish that are cute as hell, but not as cute as me, and if you put them in your tank i'll totally love you and be over at your place to look at them like every day and while they won't be as cute as me you can stare at my ass as I'm bent over looking at the super cute fish in your tank. Tee hee. So please pick this fish please *bats eyelids over puppy dog eyes and quivering lower lip*

I mean, I'm sure it didn't sound like that originally when you heard it, but I'm pretty sure that's what she meant.

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jmorris
um... I'm married, and she's a coworker.
ZooGirl
That is too funny! laugh.gif

My vote is for the red headed although I won't be bending over in front of your tank, so it's your choice. tongue.gif
Blind Tree Frog
Shouldn't your wife get a vote then?
fragman
Too funny Blind!!!!!

I would also side with the Red Stripe, first for the beer, second for the looks, but it depends what the two fish look like in real life!!!!

Another option for me would be a small blenny. They have always been very personable fish in my tanks. One would definately find a crevice all its own.

P.S. I do like the tanks and rock work, I would be interested in a more detailed explaination of the system overall (pics or diagram)
Carinya
I have two red stripes & I really like them.
rickjg
QUOTE(jmorris @ Nov 6 2005, 08:52 AM) *
Also, I have a 4" fan from hamilton helping to cool/ventilate my stand, and it is LOUD! Anyone know of a good quiet four inch fan? I have already cut the hole and installed this one, so any advice must be regarding a 4" (four inch) fan.
By the way, did I mention how much this system already kicks ass? biggrin.gif
Jared



Hi Jared,

That’s a sweet little setup you’re putting together.
I wish I had waited to join this contest instead of the “busted” NC6 contest.

One way to quiet a fan is to run a lower voltage to slow the speed.
I’m assuming the 4” fan is rated at 12 volts, but you could experiment with a
variable voltage adapter to get the sound to an acceptable level.
With 4” fan you still should get a lot of air movement even at reduced speeds.

GOOD LUCK with your new babies,
Rick
Blind Tree Frog
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One way to quiet a fan is to run a lower voltage to slow the speed.

You can also buy a fan speced at a lower decible level.

4" should be 120mm, but I could be off. Check this page out and see what the lowest db rating is.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList....&SubCategory=62

EDIT
Read his post wrong at first.
Zapatista
I have an 8" Honeywell fan you can use if you want to evap. all the water in your tank daily laugh.gif

I vote redstripe...In fact, I want one too. Do you guys get them at the shop ever?
If you do, order one for me when you get yours (1 month or so for me before I am "fish ready")

Nice scaping'...I was in Rocklin today and was thinking I wish I could check out you set-up..damn work and school always gets in the way of reefin'...
jmorris
Went to work today (at the LFS) and stared at the red-heads we have in... still really like them... but then agian ,the red-stripe is pretty cool... damn decisions!

Anyway, I also got a load of cool frags for free & cheap today, so here are some crappy pics of them, and the re-aquascaped tank. Oh, I'm not much for species ID, so don't ask me what species they are.. these are all acros, though I may be adding some montipora, pocilopora, porites, etc...

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Also, I figured I'd attempt a pictorial of the mechanics and plumbing, but a lot of it is hard to take meaningful picturs of, so hopefully some of it makes sense:

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Cheers,
Jared
fragman
looks good. Are you running a sqwd on the CL and the main return?

also, what is the 3rd picture in the system group of?

FTS!!!!
jmorris
OK, so here's a VERY detailed discription of the system... hopefully you can cross refference it to the pics to get a beter idea. or, you can just ignore this novel entirly, and enjoy my tank withthe knowledge that it works...period. tongue.gif

The sytem is made up of three tanks: a 2.5 gallon minibow sump, a 2.5 gallon custom cube sps display tank, and a matching 2.5 cube refugium. The refugium sits above the level of the sps tank, to allow it to drain into the main tank by gravity, maximizing pod transfer (hopefully :fingersx01.gif: ). The main tank has an external overflow box with a Hoffer Gurgle Buster standpipe (as seen in the third pic). The overflow water enters the sump via flexable bilge-pump discharge hose from home depot (great material for overflow lines, as it flexes without kinking, and yet is ridged enough to not flop around). The end of the overflow line goes to the bottom of the sump, and has a bag of Purigen right at its outlet. Next in the sump, is the UTR/Wetworx skimmer (check out his thread in the DIY library), then the Iceprobe, then the 100w AGA heater (made by hydor, but not crap like the old Hydor heaters). The microbubbles generated by the skimmer and the overflow output are taken care of by lots of very porus LR chunks placed stratigicly about the sump (in all the little nooks and cranies, but not right up against the heater or chiller). Return flow to the tanks is acomplished by a Mag 5 (500gph) ran externally. There is a very noisy 4" Hamilton fan pushing intot he stand right behind the return pump... this only runs durring the day when the heat from the MH needs to be negated. I plumbed the Mag 5 to the sump with a tru-union to ease maintanence (and it has already come in handy... I can take the hole sump out in about 2 minutes when needed). On the inside of the sump, a 90* elbow pointed down is on the intake bulkhead so the waterr is being puled from the very bottom of the sump. This design helps decrease microbubbles also, and ensures that incase the water level drops dramaticly for some awful reason, (say, the skimmer outlet gets pluged, water is pumped out the skimmate outlet, overflowing the skimmate cup, spilling all over the inside ofthe stand, and seeping out onto the floor?... um, yeah blush.gif ... oops!) the pump does not run dry untill the sump is nearly empty. The return line is flex vianal tubing, and splits via a Y fitting right after the pump, with one line going to the main tank, the other to the refugium. Ball valves allow me to controll how much water goes to each tank, so the main tank gets about 3/4 of the flow, and the refugium gets the rest. 1/2" vinal tubiung fits very snugly on 1/2" CPVC, so I used 1/2" CPVC to plumb the return lines after the split. On the main tank side, the retun water enters the tank via a three outlet Calfo style manifold (4th pic). On the refugium side, the water enters via a simple "spraybar" that extends down the center of the back wall, and T's off at the floor and extends to both sides. the holes in this are 3/16", and create a nice distribultion of the weak flow into this tank. From the refugium, the water simply flows down to the main tank by gravity though the pipe you can see in the 2nd pic. The closed loop system is run by a mag 2 (though I have a Mag 3.5 I'm considereing putting in its place cool.gif ), and runs through a SCWD. I am aware of the problems some people have had with SCWDs, but IME, they just have to be set up and maintained properly, and they will run for years. The plumbing from the intake bulkhead in the tank to the pump is quite crazy, with eight 45* bends and a piece of PVC called an EZ-span coupling (an adjustable PVC coupling with a union at one end... very niffty) to get around the Iceprobe and the sump. I plumbed the CLS outlets using 1/2" Loc-Line, since the compact Loc-Line ball valves would fit where standard PVC ball valves wouldn't, and the poseable bending action of the Loc-Line allowed me to get the ouputs from the SCWD in the idea positions to maximize flow and reduce backpressure. Inside the tank, the intake starainer for the CLS is in the center/back of the tank floor, and is hidden by the rockwork, and the outlets are at each back corner, with three 1/2" Loc-Line segments ending in a Y fitting. The ATO system consists of a flotswitch from www.californiareefs.com, an aqualifter pump, some sexy black tubing, and a 2 gallon bucket form Lowe's. A hole is drilled in the lid of the bucket to allow the suction line from the aqulifter in, and a couple 1/16 holes are drilled elswhere in the lid to allow air in as the bucket empties. A hole is drilled in the top edge of the sump for the aqulifter outlet line to enter, and the tubing is positioned just above the waterline. Temporaraly, I have a VERY RELIABLE suction cup holding the floatswitch in place, but I will make a little acrylic bracket for it this weekend (I do not recomend mounting a floatswitch for an ATO with a suction cup, because if it fails, your tank is either gonna get all your topoff water, or none at all). The big green cup is the skimmate cup. The turkey baster siting on the ATO bucket is the most versitle aqaurium tool I know of: blows off detritus, picks up untouchable critters (like bristleworms), transfers pods, empties skimmer cup, prime's siphons. Thge jumble of wires is really not a jumble at all, it just looks that way. both powerstrips are securly mounted, and all cords have driploops... there's just 11 cords, so it's a little crazy.. Istill need to instal a GFCI in placeo fthe standard outlet on that wall... hope the house doesn't burn down before I get to that this weekend! unsure.gif.

The last pic is of my 70w MH DIY Regent fixture mounted in the canopy and shielded by the slpash gaurd. It is actually a perfect fit for the 7" tall canopy, and ismounted quite squrely, I'm not sure why it looks crooked huh.gif . It is cooled by two 3.25" Coralife fans, which actually put out a really decent amount of air, and keep it amazingly cool... cool enough to touch the fixture in the middle of the day! ohmy.gif

The controller for the Iceprobe is mounted on the outer left side of the stand so the probe can reach into the tank itself (the overflow chamber, actually, right next to the digital thermometer probe), and not sit in the sump with the chiller unit and the heater. I found that having the probe in the sump so near the two temperature control devices caused "feedback," and the temp constantly varried, but by putting the probe in the tank, the real temperature of the tank water is meassured, and the Iceprobe can respond acordingly, and the temp stays between 80-80.5* (right where I want it).There is a little fighting between the heater and the chiller slap.gif , but they are workign things out grouphug.gif . I should also note that the chiller heatsink/fan are actually outside of the cabinet, so the heat it draws from the sytem doesn't just hang around in the cabinet and get absorbed back into the system.

So, that's the system... any other questions? biggrin.gif

Jared
jmorris
how about a few pics?

FTS of main tank
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FTS of refugium
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both tanks
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first of the frags to show any PE
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Cheers,
Jared
Casabubu
Amazing - absolutely amazing... Im lost for words ohmy.gif
jmorris
QUOTE(Casabubu @ Nov 9 2005, 07:54 PM) *
Amazing - absolutely amazing... Im lost for words ohmy.gif


wow, thanks! blush.gif I like how it turned out too smile.gif

I'm looking forward to seeing your setup to... get those pics taken!

Jared
pet_doc
Looking sweet j! You've got my vote. How about a pic of the system with the tank lights off in daylight to see the canopies better?
Casabubu
hahaha I know I need pics! No but seriously that is one of the nicest.. no let me rephrase that... that is far and away the nicest pico I have ever seen. The whole compostition just worked unimaginably well together. Congrats man, excellent pico, and GO 05!!! - with your pico, tigah may not be capable of winning!! laugh.gif
jmorris
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Looking sweet j! You've got my vote. How about a pic of the system with the tank lights off in daylight to see the canopies better?


Thanks! Here you go...
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and a couple close ups show why I need to repaint the main tank canopy... really messed it up cutting holes/installing fans... oops mad.gif
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QUOTE(Casabubu @ Nov 9 2005, 08:54 PM) *
hahaha I know I need pics! No but seriously that is one of the nicest.. no let me rephrase that... that is far and away the nicest pico I have ever seen. The whole compostition just worked unimaginably well together. Congrats man, excellent pico, and GO 05!!! - with your pico, tigah may not be capable of winning!! laugh.gif


Thanks for more of those superlative compliments! lol!

Well, I may not have to beat tigah if he doesnt get his act together soon! j/k! Bring it on Tigah!


Jared
Zapatista
wow! They look great next to each other...very zen like!

Awsome job Jared.....On with the stocking!!
jmorris
The first casuallty! RIP Acro. humilus tears01.gif

beautiful mini colony of yellow/green A. humilus died spontaniously within hours of being placed in my tank. it was dipped for 5 minutes in Kent Tech D and 15 min in Salifert's Flatworm Exit (since it had some damage, and the tank it came from had flatworms)... must have been too much stress for the little colony.

On the bright side of things, I got a nice healthy bright green Monti cap frag today, about 1"x 1", and it seems to be doing great!

Also reallized the DI water I was using had some significant PO4 in it (bad carbon canister), and so I added some Phosgaurd, and did a WC.

Jared
SLOreefer
sucks about the humilis, that was an awesome piece....so....we probably have hte same ro water with the po4 problem? hmmmm that sucks....
jmorris
yep, Slo... ssame water, same problem probablly. sad.gif

The good news about the PO4 is, we fixed the problem causing it, and I was able to bring the PO4 in my tank back down to 0 in 24hrs with 1/4cup of Phosgaurd. Got to bring my Ca and Alk bak up now, as they inevitablly fall with the use of phos. reducers... well, at least that's fixable too. smile.gif

Jared
Zapatista
Damn PO4!!

Even with my RODI unit and brand new filters I've still found slight traces of PO4 in my old 29...Not anymore...

I bought a phos reactor from marine depot that will run 24/7 from the first minute this new tank is running!

Oh hey J, I made baffles like you suggested...I haven't filled the sump back up yet so I dont have anything to report yet.....I'll let you know!
jmorris
yeah, those PO4 reactors work pretty well, but they have a noticeable neg. effect on Ca (check out the discusion on phos removal on RC). I like Phosgaurd as a great way to quickly lower PO4 in the event that I have a spike for some reason (large dioff, accidental overfeed, or the situation I just had). I've found that Phosban will turn into a cement-like brick if run in a bag, instead of the reactor, for more than a few days in a high Ca setup. Plus, Phosgaurd never clouds my water like Phosban inevitably does (damn rust-dust!). For the most part though, most PO4 problems can be eliminated by a good refugium.

But this brings me to the reason I like well planted refugiums: their ability to bank PO4 and NO3. All you need to do is trim the algae regularly to "withdraw" some of those excess nutrient "funds", and the algae's new growth banks nutrients even faster... cool stuff. Another aspect of a diverse refugium that I apreciate is its ability to suport a wide variety of interesting, useful, and nutritious microfauna. Finally, and posibly most importantly to this system, a well designed and maintained refugium produces an entirely different asthetic appel than your average reef tank.

Jared
jmorris
QUOTE(Zapatista @ Nov 10 2005, 09:00 AM) *
wow! They look great next to each other...very Zen like!


Awesome... Zen is what I was trying to achieve with this system... a pure harmony of two very different tanks coexisting in a sort of artificial symbiosis. closedeyes.gif

So the aesthetics were meant to reflect that idea. The base of the main tank and the canopy of the refugium are the same height, and the base of the refugium and the canopy of the main tank are also the same height; thus both tanks' total height is the same, although they each achieve that height in a different manner. the white stand and the black bases/canopies were also chosen to further the feeling that this sytem represents "The Tao of the Pico." flower.gif

OK, that's enough philosophizing for me today.

Jared
doncb
Looking VERY NICE! Two thumbs up!
SLOreefer
well i haevnt used any of the water yet....so maybe ill dump it out and come get new water
adinsxq
super.
jmorris
a few more pics... trying to get some macro-shot practice with my crapy camera... hopefully I can get a little more from this baby, or I may have to borrow a better one, 'cause macros are where a lot of sps really shine! (EDIT:colors in sps pics are weird/dull because these pics were taken of corals in a dark tank.)

A really nice baby-blue Acro frag with blue polyps and tips. Polyps just barely extended here.
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One of the nicest frags I've gotten yet, a very PE-happy Acro!
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Both of those together...
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A blue leg riding an astrea in my fuge... Yee-haw, ride'm snail-crab!
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One of the nicest macroalgaes I have in the fuge is this Ulva lactuca. You woudn't know how much I like it by looking at the front of the tank, as it has to be tucked in the back, right against the return outlet to get enough flow to surive... still, it's a nice surprise when one turns the corner, and see's its brilliant green foliage tucked in that corner... and who knows, maybe it will spread?
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Jared
jmorris
just killed the first (and hopefully last!) aptasia in the main tank. I used hte lemon juice injection method and gace him and his crevice about .5 ml.... ha ha ! Die you stinking vermin! mad.gif

Also, lost another frag, and this time it was totaly my fault (actually, so was the last one... too much dipping/aclimation=stress... dumb me!). This death was caused by me deciding I wanted to move a frag (pointlessly... it was fine where it was), then I knocked it to the bottom/back of the tank, and ended up being pretty rough on it getting it out from behind the LR, and it got all scraped up... damn.

That's OK, it was pretty brown, and really tiny, so no I just have more room for more beatiful/larger frags tongue.gif yes, I'm a cold-hearted remorseless coral killer sometimes. ninja.gif

More pics to come after I get some real sweet frag hookups from some friends... Woot! Woot! Frags rock!

Jared
Zapatista
Hey jared,
I made the baffles like you suggested in the sump and it worked like magic!

Thanks for the tip........Live rock should go in within the week..let me know if you wanna swing by after work to check it out..

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SLOreefer
hey man...hurry up and come get that frag....i need to clear out that colony from the tank. anyway im glad to see your tank is doing well, ######ty about the deaths but it happens...life goes on.
jmorris
Pics soon to come of new additions including: A. nana, M. digi, and M. cap in the main tank, and a bit of Padina pavonica (scroll algae) in the fuge. biggrin.gif Yay for biodiversity! Thanks eric... they look great.

Also, a bit of an algae bloom has come up (rushed things a bit), but the school of baby hippo tangs should have that under control in no time. smile.gif

Jared
icenine
QUOTE(jmorris @ Nov 16 2005, 09:43 PM) *
school of baby hippo tangs




'bout time you busted them out!!

Looking forward to the new pics, zen master. The tanks are looking great!
jmorris
Added today: (VERY) pink stylophora frag, and Pavona Cactus frag... Yeah, I know how aggressive Pavona can be, it is at the top, far removed from all other frags, and right in front of the overflow where all his mucus and chemicals will be swept away tothe purigen and skimmer... we'll see what the other corals think of it.

Still waiting on the pics untill I get a good time mid-day oportunity to take them, when the corals will all look their hotest.

Cheers,
Jared
jmorris
OK, so I took a few pics of some of the new stuff. HTere will be more pics once the shamefull algae bloom has been totally eliminated... hopefully! fingersx01.gif

heres the pink bird's nest, the A. nana, the M. digi, and a couple of the Orang turbo snails i picked up to help combatt he algae... pretty and useful!
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The pink stylophora... it is even brighter in person... just ask SLOreefer, since he hooked my up with this nice frag. Notice the algae in the pic... yuk sad.gif
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And a pretty good macro of the A. nana showing moderate PE. This is a decent depiction of how nice the purple tips look... Like the stylo though, it is better in person!
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SLOreefer
hey man lookin good. here is a shot i got of the stylo that shows the color pretty well
Zapatista
here is the shot of the red-headed goby I stole from you because you weren't working on Suday...LOL

jmorris
nice... I've decided to go with the red stripe anyway... so all the better you took him.

Jared
Ann
Any more updates? smile.gif

Best regards

Ann
jmorris
rather than cross posting the whole message, I'll just link to the thread in the fish forum regarding my temptation to get a juvi Cross' Damsel for the tank.

will a cross' damsel work in a 2.5 gallon sps pico?

What do you guys think?

Thanks,
Jared

p.s. - New pics after finals week, and once I get my new macro lens/adapter/tripod setup.
Snoop
WINNER
jmorris
Thanks Snoop!

I decided to go with my better judgement and skip the damsel. I'm gonna get a couple very small gobies instead... I think the Trimma goby from LiveAquaria.com, or maybe the red stripe Eviota... we'll see.

Before I shop online and pay $$$$, I'm trying to get the manager at the LFS I work at to order me some interesting tiny gobies, but the selection of such gobies on our stock list is pretty small... mostly limited to red heads, neons, and Catalinas (hmmmm, a Catalina in this tank... they like 82-83 degree water right?

Wish me luck on my biochem final tomorrow, I'm gonna need it! lol!

Jared
jmorris
WOOT WOOT!!!

I think I just completed my coral stocking! A friend and coworker of mine let me come over and hand pick some really nice frags out of her tank.

We're talking: Chip's Acro, Green stag, purple stag, green w/ purple edge monti cap, purple monti. digi., pink birdsnest, purple gorgonian, and more!

I'll be posting pics in a couple days, I promise... just one more final on Friday (Physics...yuk!), and this semester is done!

watch for updates.

Jared
Zapatista
before you order fish from liveaquaria, give me a call...there are a few I want to get as well (trimma and wrasse)...maybe Danny wants in as well!

Do I hear Sacto group buy?
jmorris
QUOTE(Zapatista @ Dec 14 2005, 10:45 PM) *
before you order fish from liveaquaria, give me a call...there are a few I want to get as well (trimma and wrasse)...maybe Danny wants in as well!

Do I hear Sacto group buy?


Sounds good... I'm thinking about a couple trimma gobies as well. If Aaron can get them in before I quit at the end of Jan. I'll have to get them through the store due the much lower cost... but if he cant find them in the next couple weeks, I'll be up for a Liveaquaria.com group order.

Jared
Zapatista
dont forget me if Aaron can get them in...Im in for 1.

Any good wrasses in lately?
yoshiod9
it's such a GLORIOUS day!...finals are finished--for this semester, at least. smile.gif i stopped by the store last week with rachael hoping to see you, jared but you weren't working. lame!! i mean, who needs to spend time with their wife and newborn child?! pshhh... wink.gif

i might be down for a little liveaquaria group buy if aaron doesn't get any gobies in...i haven't gotten any new stuff in FOREVER. anyway, good luck with your last final, man!
SLOreefer
man id be down...feelin a little left out ha ha, im thinking about an eightline or four line wrasse or somethin...anyway jared get soem new pics up damnit! i got my new sump so once i finish plumbing that will be setup and hopefully my tank will look good again

maybe ill come stea some of your tanks inhabitants
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