OMG how can you not get flamed.........................I GET FLAMED FOR ASKING FOR A 1-2" lion (lmao and i didnt even really want it...i was just seeing responses) in a 12 gallon....this is gay...AND I WAS CALLED RICH AND SPOILED...even though all my money goes to my fish tank and girlfriend!

well, because not alot of people have seen it yet, BUT replying bumps it up onto home page where it will get looked at more...lol... i already did (well not really..sorta) from jmorris

that's awesome!

I think the reason people get mad about people buying fish from the LFS because they were in a small tank is because the LFS CAN put them in small tanks. Assuming it is a well known place, they will probably sell the tang in a week or so, thinking it will sell to somone with a big tank. I, personaly dont see a HUGE issue with having a tang in a 2.5,for a while (while being a month tops.)

Just my thoughs.

agreed!

yes, the reason why he is in my 2.5g is he cant be in my 30g. b.c. he would get blown around.. this is temporary..and plus every 1 joked about it.. so someone had to do it... lol

LOL..im getting a 2.5g for my whale shark!

Blown around by the flow? I doubt that he would get blown around, (unless its somthing REALLY high, like 100x turnover.) IMO, I move him to the 30.

Anyhow.... I do like the macro algae, nice growth, and mixture, its like a salad.

LOLOLOLOL ^^ a salad^ LOLOLOLOOL ... anyway i dont really know about this.. i really do think he would gte blown around and/or picked on.. also if he got ich it would be harder for me to get the fish out of my 30g. then to get just the tang and Yellow Clown Goby out of the 2.5g... about the MAcroalgea.. im removing it.. hopefully this weekend..

You have put a blue tang in 2.5 gallon glass box. Nice one buddy!

When i thought about this, my first reaction was, obviously this person is STUPID!

Reading your replies to other peoples concerns, as well as your motivation for doing it, it is now also clear that you are a dead set MORON of the highest order! Not to mention ARROGANT, ANTAGONISTIC, and just plain old-fashioned CRUEL to animals. Nice one buddy! Way to "show everyone"; that'll learn 'em to mess with you!

i know what i have done... you didnt have to tell me that... how am i a moron??? I dont think he will do good in my 30g. and so he is in the 2.5g for now.... how does this make me a moron????? and do you eat meat??? I'm betting you do.. SO, you are also Cruel to animals.. so STFU... lol...

I think your YCG would still be able to stay in the 2.5! well its about the only fish that can!

You've put a blue tang in a 2.5 gallon tank -- ipso facto, you are a moron. QED

The fact that you attempt to reconcile this action with eating meat proves that you just don't 'get it' do you! Even if this were a logical analogy of yours, all you'd have done is proven my point that what you are doing is cruel.

Here is a hint for you, free of charge: If you want to disprove my point that this is cruel, try to liken your actions to something that (even by your own dismal standards) is NOT cruel. Do not, as you have done here, try to equate your actions with something else that you infer IS cruel.

Like I said before... MORON!!!


And for the record, yes, i do eat meat. But, do I go around purposely harming other animals for no other reason than my own amusement, or to antagonise a bunch of faceless people on the internet colloquially called "The Tang Police" for kicks? NO!

Sigh.... shoulda seen this coming fishfreak..


Alright, Ill give my two cents. Being "cruel" to animals simply a point of veiw. In my honest opinion, eating meat is not cruel as that is simply the "circle of life" playing itself out (grass eats us who eat cows who eat grass). This is simply a fact of nature.

As for keeping a young tang in a 2.5, this is simply telling the petstore owners that people will spend good money to buy a small tang instead of a large one to fit it into there small tank. In general, fish stores will tend to buy two fish for every fish that is bought. That way, they can keep up with supply and demand.

The problem is now there are a bunch of small tangs in the aquarium industry that are sent to an almost unavoidable death. Then, the same person who bought the tang goes out and buys another small tang to shove into there small tank and watch it slowly die again. Meanwhile, the stores see all these small tangs that are bought, and order hundreds more to keep up with supply and demand.

So fishfreak, though you yourself may only kill one tang, in theory you will have killed two more as well. Not only that, but you are one of the thousands of people simply incouraging these pet stores to buy more small tangs.

Whew, thats alot of typing.. This is simply my opinion. It is your choice to follow it or not.

^Nice post casabubu...

Casabubu, very valid points. This is how I view that situation.

You are correct about the influx of small tangs. However, either way you look at it, buying the tang large or small will fuel the desire for the LFS to buy more. The most animal friendly option in this regard is to NOT buy a tang from the LFS. I think you would agree.

Most of us have also been here long enough to know, all the reprimands will mean nothing here? He did ask for it. He never said it was right to put a tang in a 2.5. Never said it was staying in this tank. Heck, the tang is smaller than the ricordia in there. There is no competition with larger fish so it gets all the food it needs, and hopefully it survives to move to a larger tank. Possibly the 30 gallon would be a better temporary housing.

And, Grandmaster...I don't think his plan was to purposly antagonize a bunch of faceless people on the internet. Your probably the nameless face who b*tches to people on the internet yet wouldn't say a word to the LFS owner who repeatedly buys 20 of these little fellows to stuff in a ten gallon holding tank. So far sir, YOU have been the most antagonistic poster in this thread. Congratulations!

This thread is getting WAY off topic. If FishFreak218 requests, we should change the subject out of courtesy. Maybe some more pics...WITHOUT the tang this time. Don't want to ruffle any more feathers

lol^^ good point BelowH2O .. i dont want to get this thread closed or anything. so any complaints PM me about them, but i have some last things to say.... this Tang was going to be bought anyway.. wether it was by me or by someone else, and they are ALREADY in high demand... ever since Finding Nemo... anyway I think regardless of 1 person says something.. its there (LFS's) bussiness.. my dad builds houses.. some people say something like.. O well i think this house isnt worth $x amount ... doesnt stop my dad from raising the prices AT ALL! b.c. there is always someone else who WILL buy it.. so that might be a bad analogy [sp] but w/e.... IMHO there will ALWAYS be someone else, wanting/buying these... and they might have to put laws on them one day.. they are now Lagoon Raising them.. also i think meat is a perfectly good example of being cruel.. I am putting a Tang in a 2.5g BUT chickens are being dumped into boiling water just to de Feather them.. while they are still awake/alive.. please someone tell me how that is not cruel??? Whenever you buy chicken you are supporting that.. then Publix/Winn Dixie whereever u buy from.. orders more.. thats not going to go away.. but it is still cruel.. IMHO being cruel is being cruel.. so if you could watch the Tang swim around my tank.. I can say that he (im not going to say Happy) but .. he SEEMS content with it for now.. so untill he looks cramped, which he doesnt, he willl be in here.. also according to the crew at Wetwebmedia.com Baby Blue tangs hide alot in the rockworks.. and are not AS active as when they are when they get larger...

anyway I will post pics of the new Aquascape.. etc. when i get it done and water clears up!

How's the new Signature ???? Also 1 Last thing for me to say about the Tang... like my sig. says "Whats nice about this hobby is that nothing is permanent." (Quote Millerlite).. Lets say the tang is in my Pico for 1-2 months (prob. somewhere around there depending on how fast he grows) .... ok, now what if he sits at the LFS for 1-2months (not uncommon for the LFS i bought him from... since well.. they have THE WORST LOCATION!!! ) .. so anyway... you go to the LFS and see a new shipment of Baby Blue Tangs.. 1 of which in a 6" cube... it sits there for 2 months.. i bet you wouldnt complain....

Hmmm....I wasn't going to comment but Josh just brought up a good point. My LFS was sent from their distributor an uncommon type of Boxfish by mistake. The LFS didn't order it and was told by the distributor to keep it because of the stress on the fish. Well this poor little guy has been at the LFS for over two months. It just kills me to see him still there in this little tank. I would love to buy him because he's such a cute, cool little guy but I don't have a future home for him when he gets big. I would like to think he'd prefer my 12 gallon (soon to be 20L) with corals and rocks over the LFS's 8"x8" box with nothing in it. I don't know what is worse, letting him die there so that they know better next time or to take him home to at least have a shot for a bit of a happy life.

I think that if you have a future home for the Tang then he is fine for now. You'll have to keep a close eye on your water params because such a small new tank with two fish is going to be difficult to keep stable. I have just the coral and shrimp in my pico and I worry about the bioload. You could wake up one morning and he could be gone. Man, then you'd really hear complaints!

FF, what the hell are you doing?

Just when I thought you were losing your "n00b" appearance...

OH, from here untill the tang is gone i will be, being VERY CAREFUL!!!!



This has nothing to do with me being a noob... if i said "look at this cool new fish i got, shes a Blue Tang.. is it a good fish for a pico reef??? "

than i would be newbish... but i want him for my 30g. and since he looked so healthy and small i thought i would get one.. once i got home I realized that he would prob. be nocked around by the flow in my 30g. or picked on, and if he did get ich, it would be harder to treat it in my big tank...... so IMO its not noobish.. its a BIG risk.. but noobish.. naw.. i knew what i was getting into when i decided to put him in the 2.5g

if u were getting a tang for your 30 maby a little bigger udg

dito to what?????? snoop???

trav

FF, a 30g is still way to small, you need at least a 60 gallon, so I suggest you get a job and buy a bigger tank, or sell it to some one who can properly care, and I do mean CARE, for the fish.

ok, just in case everyone didnt read the last page and this page, this is a temporary home.. he has a place in our friends 210g. tank (more space then alot give them..) and this is his temporary home.. im shure some of you have seen a Tang at the LFS sit in a 8" cube for a month or two... with less hiding spaces... also Baby Tangs like to hide.. their not EXTREMLY active.. seriously if you havnt owned this small of a tang you wouldnt know how un-active they are (not saying there not active but less active then people hype them up to be...) also he is 1" maybe even less go take a ruler and look at 1 inch.. also i figure its like putting a 12" blue tang in a 6ft tank.. would any of you complain about that???? Seriously let his actions speak louder then my words.. lets see what happens.. if he gets ich or dies.. then go ahead and say all you want.. but until then he is doing fine.. i watch him everyday from a distance peeking from behind my bed or behind my door post to see what he acts like when im not around



Da, i know that... even a 60g. is to small for a full grown Blue Tang... i can go out and buy a 75g. tank right now for $750 if i wanted to but i have limitations.. for some of you it may be money, or even space, for me its my parents... they dont like going to the LFS every weekend for a new _______ (you fill in blank)... obviously you didnt read the whole last page.. he is going into our friends 210g. tank

JOSH!!

YOU A VERY NAUGHTY BOY.

I should kick your butt!

But I am going to take a big risk and trust you. Keep it happy and alive. Then move it to something bigger (60g+) when you can.

I think your judgment was a little poor on this one, but you have shown you are not an idiot.

Just don't disappoint me!

lg

LOL!!! im not.. im feed everyother day, and then do a very small water change.. i feed him assorted Algea in the morning and then feed him MYsis soaked in Garlic supplement.. he eats like a PIG!!!! He has a spot in our friends 210g. tank.. where he will be VERY happy.. with alot of space..

Sounds good.

Just get him in your 30 asap.

2.5g is a litte crazzy.

Good luck

thank you VERY much lgreen!!!

FF, why didn't you put the fish in the 30g in the first place anyways?

I wouldn't have ######ed at you so much lol.

well, if you read the whole FRIKIN thing you would know.. lolololol.. jk..there is a few reason..

Its b.c. if he got ich (which im sure you know Tangs are kinda prone to) it would be harder to treat with my bigger tank.. AND
Im pretty sure he would get blown around alot...


also i just measured the tang.. he is about 3/4 of an inch..

thanks you petsunlimited,
ya.. that guy was a little bit um.. FREAKED about it.. but w/e my WQ is fine.. not nitrates, nitrites, ammonia, PH is good, and alk. is good.. i watch him and he doesnt look cramped at all. he is (as of right now) proportionally fit in the tank..

ooo about the pico now..lol..i just realized a new baby shroom... so hopefuly it wil grow alot b4 Contest ends

GET THE HELL OVER IT IT'S A FREAKING FISH! yeah, so it was wild caught, but at least his tank is healthy, the survival rate of fish that size in the isn't exactly 100%. proportionally speaking, the tang has plenty of room. it's getting moved to a much larger tank eventually, and even if it wasn't, it's his money, his fish, his property. if he wants to keep it in a freaking juice glass, its his business. caution all you want, but calling him a moron, etc. is just being an @$$hole. don't like it, don't read the thread.

awesome tank fishfreak. the tang looks cool in such a tiny tank, and i'm sure you can tell when he needs to be moved. good luck!

oh my gosh...seriously...get a life, hes not keeping it forever, also would you rather have him eat it or have him keep it in a 2.5 that will go in a month to a 30 then will go to a 200+ gallon later on!..........give him a break, honestly you wasted all that time typing for nothing



personally id rather have him live...oh btw circle of life, LMAO, it didnt intend for huimans to far surpass the intelligence/evloution of other animals, lol in old ages we wouldnt swim miles out into the ocean to get a tang to eat...HONESTLY, GIVE IT A REST

lol, ok well, eating meat isnt cruel but to make it go quicker (not their death but to kill more at a time) they do stuff like electacute them and since they want as much profit as they can get..if a chicken brakes its leg they dont care for the leg.. they chicken sits their.. getting whatever food he can until the farmer realizes it and beats it to death... or sends it on the machine... where they will be tied up by the legs dipped into boiling water just to get the feathers off of them.. (while contious.. still awake ) then they will go through and get there neck slit.. O no.. that isnt cruel at all right.. its just a chicken... right?? they feel pain just like we do.. so if you are going to be all "your cruel to animals" then dont talk unless your a vegan (not just vegatarian) b.c. dairy animals suffer too...

AGREED

Fishfreak, all I've got to say is that you are takin' the heat really well. You definitely don't seem like a moron to me. At least you have put some thought into what you are doing and have a plan for the Tang as it grows up. When I saw your pics (reading the thread for the first time), I could not believe that this was a pico reef. The proportions of the fish vs. the tank made it look a lot bigger than 2.5G and the 3/4" Tang did not look too cramped to me. I'm a newb, and I heard all about the tang police and have read lots about Tang tank size requirements, so take it for what it's worth.

I think that there is a fine line between abuseing animals, and eating them.

In your case FF, I think that you have taken the proper precausions (being able to move the fish to a larger, happier home). For other people that intend on keeping a blue tang in anything as small as a nano for an indefinat amount of time are actually abusing the tang.

As far as "eating animals is cruel", I think we all have those canine(spelling?) teath for a reason. Which ever belief you have, God, other god, or evalution, you can not deny that we all have been made or have become able to eat meat. The point is that meat is a main stay in the human diet and if the means by which we obtain that meat offends you, don't eat it, go vegitarian, and get a fatty liver... In the end, the animal dies anyways.

JMO

Agreed, in no way am I a vegetarian.. i go on peta sometimes.. just for my knowleage.. so i know whats happening.. and i honestly dont have a problem with eating meat (i LOVE Filet Mignion) but for him to say i abuse fish is tottally contradictory to what he does every day, and probably doesnt think twice about doing so.... also thank you reefpeace.. stuff like that is good... thank youfor the compliments... i prearanged its "reservations" into their 210g. before i got him... Getting this Baby Tang and getting it to grow up is a challenge i want to take on.. so now i am doing so....this will be another challeange puting it in a pico but seriously he seems ABSOULTLY fine.. he swims great, eats great, no sign of parasite/disease/pest.. so as of now everything looks good

i mean i know that the fish dies either way...but you shouldnt kill it...HOW BOUT WE FEED YOU TO THE WOLVES...while still alive, now how do you feel!



also you do have to take in consideration that the tang is kept in there for an unselfish reason, he doesnt want the tang to get hurt in the 30, so he does have a point, plus he does have a future to the fish!

thank you Samoyed^^^ see people who plan to give the fish/invert/coral back to LFS when it gets too big/harder to care for etc. make me MAD! thats what pi$$es me off.. but when people know that they are upgrading or find a future home in advance.. i think its fine..

Don't forget that honey is bee slavery too!

Make sure your friends 210g does not have any established Tangs or similar looking fish and/or aggressives. The Hippo tang is not the most aggressive tang and will have a hard if your friends 210g has any of the above. I have a Hippo in one of my six foot tanks and they are a great fish, they generate a lot of waste so monitor your water params closely.
Also most tangs enjoy current, so if you were concerned about too much current in your larger tank you shouldn't be. Personally I wouldn't keep a Hippo in a 2.5g since as a juvi its extra fragile and needs the best conditions to stay strong and to grow. If you intend on keeping it in the 2.5g for an extended period of time (lets say a few weeks), make sure you are doing daily water changes and take care to monitor the little guy closely.

what are the rules about suitability of livestock ifor tank size for the contest?

considering the contest is a couple months and isn't over the lifetime of the fish - the fish will be fine until the end of the contest - but they do need lots of flow to keep they healthy until then - and they don't grow fast enough to out-size the tank by then either.

Dear goodness, you people and your tang drama... Honestly, FF knows what he's doing, and if people would just read, then we wouldn't have any problems. Seriously, I read that he had gotten a tang when he posted the other night, looked at his plans to move it to a 30 and then a 210, and figured that if the fish makes it through growing up, then he'll be a happy fish. Other people seem to hear the words NANO and TANG mentioned within the same sentence, and out come the flamethrowers, no questions asked. I bet that right now I could post a topic in the general fourm called "I got a blue tang!" and put into the post the that he was going to live in my 30gal until he was done with QT and then move to a 2000 gallon tank in my basement, and I would still get called an idiot and a morron for puting a tang in something as tiny as a 30gal! My god, how could I be so cruel???

Honestly Fishfreak, I'm rooting for you on this one 100%. It's a chalange, and I'm glad that you are approaching it in a profesional manner and have thought it all the way through to the day this fish keels over dead from old age.

thanks for supporting him MOSTLY EVERYONE!!! i wish him good luck on this!

What are you guys on? We all know the usual arguements about eating meat, fueling the industry etc but you cannot dismiss an arguement by elevating other wrongs. Why not flip that arguement on it's head - just because someone eats meat, does that give them the automatic right to be an irresponsible fish keeper?

I fail to see how it's ok to raise a tang in a 2.5 because it will end up in a 210. If fishfreak wants a tang for his 210(or someone elses 210), then they should get one for their 210 when they are ready. It's not rocket science.

None of us are saints, but at least most of us make an attempt to follow some sensible guidelines.

fishfreak! hell ya buddy, someone with enough guts to stand up to these psycho tang police. I like the way you have it set up, and im with you all the way....... well done, well done