Never seen them before

http://www.coral2sell.com/Listing?id=421

http://www.nano-reef.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=120580

Do you think they are the same? Difficult to say by the picture in the thread

The picture looks way over saturated, but they could be Jokers/PHE's. Hornets have the fingers on the skirt alternate colors.

$100 for a single polyp...... never. Give it some time and one of two things will happen:

1) It will be common enough that $50 will buy a good 3" rock totally covered in them.

2) Or folks will have gotten tired of them dying in their tank and only the "elite" zoanthid collectors will bother with them.

if the skirt was orange and purple alternating along with being purple in background with the orange ring then yes it would be a nice polyp

Um, we get in colonies of those at work nearly every week, not rare at all and most certainly not worth $100 a polyp... Had a 150+ polyp colony a few weeks ago, went to a shop in Arizona who sold it for $60.

Really nice mega happy super white balanced pic though.

this. i don't care what you charge for your coral. but when you unfairly represent their coloration by digitally manipulating the image, screw you.

That Hobbit cartoon is classic DHaut.

its not a hornet hornets have altrenating skirts as you can see in my red one

what u pay for the red hornet?

wasent as bad as i thought it was going to be i got it and a cool rainbow for 220 shipped

My friend sells red hornets for $100, so the price is slowly coming down.

where did he git his

Last time I saw them from a local reefer, Purple Hornets were going for 50 and Red Hornets for 150.
Per polyp.

Ricky, the original seller of them.

how many is he selling

He's growing them out at the moment.

No offense to anyone here that sells them, but the red hornets are slightly more rare than hawaiian hornet in that I only see a full sized colony of them once a month instead of once a week...

edit - and I know, I know, they're not the "true" ones, I'm sure the "true ones" on the market that came from our collection facility are in some way unique from the 900 other "un-true" ones that we've gotten in from that same collection facility for years for some reason other than the fact that they cost 1000x more.

Can you post a photo of the "un-true" ones. People always mention them, but they never post a photo of them.

Okay here is what I see,
these purple hornets have the name Hawaiian on them and the white balance is changed.
They don't come from here,
there is a guy, (No not Aloha Corals, it's another place I don want to mention)
who has a ton of mainland morphs,
that he "got here" (no he didn't) and are selling them off as native Hawaiian stuff.

Dunno, those always seem to lead to the extremely stale and annoying arguments of "those aren't the true ones because the true ones that I/someone I know happens to sell are distinctly 1/4 shade darker and as you can clearly see the skirts are 1/16 of a millimeter longer, so mine are still worth $100 a polyp because yours are the fake ones, and not because they threaten my ability to rip people off". Those arguments were migraine inducing back when I had a store, not sure how much of a hurry I'm in to get into another one when one that's spent or charged $100 for a polyp is ever going to be able to look at a colony of recently arrived not 100% colored up red hornets and admit to themselves and others that it's the same zoanthid.



Exactly, those, the red hornets, and the purple hornets all come from my work's solomon islands collection station.

Huh. I thought the Hornet craze would have died down during my hiatus. First I've heard of Red Hornets. In any case, the price of a coral is the price you're willing to pay. If people are selling them for $100 a polyp, people are buying them for that much, and there really isn't any point in debating their worth. If its a Zoanthid, its a Zoanthid, nothing fake about any of them.

As for the original link, wow. They may as well have just drawn something up in a paint program.

there is a guy near me selling the purps for 65 a polyp and the blues for 45 a polyp. he hasn't gotten ahold of any reds yet so i have no clue what he would charge. my guess though since they grow so fast the market will come down quite a bit. they sure are no PPEs. lol

My friend bought a two polyp frag of red hornets and now he has about 6-7 more within a month. I believe he's the only person who has sold them for $100, everyone else tries to sell them for $150+.

Ianiwane tried using that same argument about my friends hornets, saying they're a darker shade and that baycorals are the only ones with the "real" red hornets. That's why it's best to avoid these high dollar polyps and chalices, since every for sale thread turns into an argument about the damn lineage.

who cares about liniage. if they look cool and i like them...i get em.

i got all 3 of my hornets are from bay corals and are beautiful. as for the hawaiian hornets they have the ring yes, but not the alternating skirt so i dont think they can be called hornets.

Hey all,

I just want to point out that the original link is from coral2sell.com and we are not retailers. All we do is offer a free place for people to list anything they want to sell that is reef related.

I normally wouldnt jump in these conversations, but I just want to be clear that we dont take the pictures or alter them. The users that post the pictures are responsible for what they post. We also tell people to contact the seller, request references, and take every measure to make sure they are dealing with a reputable seller. If you are buying one polyp and the picture is from a colony, ask the seller to send a pic of the polyp, usually that shouldnt be a problem.

Thanks

We fully understand that your website is merely a media that is used to unite a buyer and seller,
this is more or less about a seller doctoring up photos and lying about the coral....
It happens on ebay,
it happens here sometimes ... You get the picture...

Yep, I got you and we are on the same page. There was a similar thread and people thought we were the retailers of the corals. Our site is new and a lot of people are still unfamiliar with us so I just wanted to make sure there was no confusion.

They do look awfully colored up.
Just think that a zoanthid polyp that was incredible and worth that price should be able to sell itself just by its true color and not have any kind of adjustments done to it.
My camera is a point and shoot with lighting adjustments and I have never had to make any color adjustments.
I think that if I was going to sell a nice polyp, especially at that price, I would want buyers to see it as it really is, and if it was a camera thing, and the camera only took pictures like that, which it is obvious that the photo is touched up anyway, I would be heading to the store for a better camera.

Naw, purple hornets came in shipped brown from Indonesia.

My sentiments exactly, I love how everyone knows that corals vary under different lighting until their wallet is on the line, then all of a sudden they have to look identical to the original pic in every lighting. And then everyone agrees that corals live in colonies in different collection areas, but as we all know the rare polyps and chalices are genetically engineered by the originator of the "lineage" and only exist in their tanks

moto,

Maybe it's just the picture you posted but that does not look like a red hornet. A red hornet has a blue center with the red and purple shirts. Yours looks like the center matches the purple of the skirt.

You have to remember most of the red hornet photo's you see are being blasted with actincs or 20k bulbs. His are the same as all the rest you see online. Without lots of blue light they don't look like anything special which is why the $150+ price tag is a joke.

Since there's no ridiculous "lineage" discussions on those rare hawaiian hornets I'll post up a pic of some that came in last night. We got in about 4 colonies, and these are half closed and you can only see a few polyps, but eh, I don't really care, just proving a point that these aren't rare. When the red hornets thing dies down I'll start posting up pics of 50-200 polyp colonies next time they come in, until then I'll be getting them to vendors to start driving down those ridiculous prices.

I've taken the liberty of doctoring the picture just like the seller in OP's post

I really like that rock!