http://forums.saltwaterfish.com/vb/showthread.php?t=372267

$100 per fish or $1600 pair

No comment. I will hold my tongue.............

I thought ORA platinums were $$$ at $600 a pair

I hate you, now i want saddle backs....
Good thing im doing a tank upgrade, i can get some!

No way im getting those platinum ones though.

Looks sad and dis... holds my tongue

I'm not sure if I'm just bitter because those fish cost more than all of my live stock, hell my setup right now, but I don't like the all white variations. I can sorta see shelling out for picassos, but not these guys.

COST!!! GEESH I DONT GET IT@@@I know this has something to do with fish..okay so it does.. I can understand the man made part.To me is this part of expanding... it is gross and sick. it looks nothing like the stock clown. now. don't get me wrong. i have turned a 2000.00 yorkie dog into an 6500.7000., so I can see what some people seek to find in fish. but what you guys are doing..... sorry, it looks sick and gross. i for one would never seek that kind of fish. now. this is only my personal feeling. that mark seeks all kinks of new life.I enjoy seeing what the outcome can be,,,,, be this..... ummmm it is not liked.why turn this beatiful fish into some so gross liking? I honestly don't don;t get it. please explain....

I think the listing said they were wild caught

I don't get this either:



What, too soon?

Shouldn't really expensive fish....you know.....not be ugly?

They look like they have a skin disease

dont all the weird morphs... platinum, snowflake, picasso.. none look like they are supposed to.

I hear people talk about being responsible breeders and throwing the ones with defects.. arent all these defective fish?

Yeah..... But you aint gettin' my "defective" picassos!

Actually, I've read where picassos do show up in the wild.

So whos gona be the first one to get them on NR

You guys do know that all the "special" looking fish happen because of bad husbandry/poor nutrition during spawning, incubation and rearing right?

You know, the ones that were always culled because their mutant genes sucked?

a mutation becomes less deleterious when people throw jacksons at it

lol
b

I need to start breeding these...

the ora platinums are perculas not saddlebacks



how do you think that dog came to look like it does now? it was bred to look like that just like these fish were bred to look like this. do you think your yorkie looked like that when it was first found nope people bred dogs to look like all the different forms we see today so it is the same thing as breeding this fish to be all white.



now i agree with this but i know all of us here have seen the ugly mcchullochs(sp?) clowns that were on DD for $6000.00



people cull fish that will have health problems or have physical deformities that would hurt their chance of life or make their lives hard to live.

man what nice fish. i just got off the phone with the seller. i'll post pics when they arrive.

BS! Ha lets see the pics when you get them

This is only partly correct. Yorkies as you used the analogy with them look today like they looked 100 years ago. The dogs evolved on their own to look like the dogs of today. The things that were bred into them (traits) were things like size and color. Same as the clown fish we are seeing today some of you will say. This however is a vague look in my opinion. The dogs are bred for the lineage of their dominant colors. The dogs that stray from the norm are woth less over all. Your yorkie that is solid brown will be worth less than the classic tri color type yorkie. Good for a pet not for a show.

While i take nothing away from these oddities and their viability as a pet they are still a mutation of the original, unless clown fish are not kept in the arctic areas where white is a predominant color.....

Just my opinions

QUOTE (fmfa0801 @ Mar 8 2010, 01:17 AM)
"I thought ORA platinums were $$$ at $600 a pair"


"the ora platinums are perculas not saddlebacks"

I know they are perculas. I was just saying i thought the ORA Platinum Perculas were expensive but these Platinum Saddlebacks are 3x as much $$$$

actually yorkies were created a couple hundred years ago in the 1800s by breeding several different kinds of terriers together to be the dog you now know as a yorkshire terrier. they were bred for certain traits that the breeders(common mill workers) found appealing just like how they do with clowns.

As ugly as they are expensive! Ah, the absurdities in prices in the hobby over the last few years is hilarious. A fool and his money...

Any one care to guess what hybrid angelfish go for? There was a tigerpyge that went for $1600.

http://reefbuilders.com/2009/07/07/tigerpy...ures-treatment/

And no, this wasn't something that was specially bred. It was caught from, are you ready for this?, The Ocean! As I stated earlier, picassos do occur in nature as well.

At least it's a good looking fish...

Ok i must chime in after reading all of this. First of all let me say that these fish are unique and different.
Also these fish have been seen before i will find the thread and post it. There was someone else who had stated someone in thailand had these two years ago and they had posted pictures as well. The store in which they were in was asking 25k for them which is rediculous. Anyways it is possible for them to be wild caught i personally think they are tank raised because i have seen the exact fish 2 years ago. This goes to tell me that someone is breeding them discretly. As far as these fgish coming from bad nutrition and poor husbandry, I have to say you are so far off on that statement.

First of all nutrition and husbandry has nothing to do with the genes of a fish. Are you trying to say that if you ate apples or grapes you would have purple eyes,. or if you only drank water you would not have limbs you would snake around everywhere. It has nothing to do with nutrition, or water quality. This is a genetic abnoormality that has occured in two fish. Strictly a gene from either one parent or both that has shown these patterns on these fish. Ora or myself or anyone else who breeds selectively patterned fish does not feed anything special or make any enhancements in water quality to obtain such fish.

Last but not least My picassos that breed are wild caught, so yes it does show up in the wild, ORA has their original picasso which is wild caught. The price tag on these fish is perfect. You may ask why and the reason is no one has it and right now to some people its very rare. So it will be priced high. They are the type of fish you love or dont there is no in between. Me personally I will buy a pair, Who knows maybe i already have a pair maybe not either way they are cool and to someone like myself another piece of beauty

Wow in this economy I wish I had the $$ to spend on these two fish, wait a minute nope never. That is just stupid in my mind they are not even "pretty looking" so your paying for a genetic defect. One of these days if I win the lottery, nope still never. I guess I never had an eye for art.

At least that is good looking.

Honestly those fish in the original post, they are just ugly, plain and simple.

I think their cute, but i wouldnt spend over $50-100 per fish anyway. Call me cheap.

disgusting nasty fish ........why not try to mix the beautiful shades colors/shapes/pattern's of a real beauty like a mandarin?

white Bloch/orange Bloch = nasty and unnatural looking IME/IMO

While it's not the ugliest fish I've ever seen ( the lookdown still holds that title in my eyes), it does hold some off-the-wall appeal to me. The cost is what it is because they know there are people out there who want the rarest of the rare, whether they are wild caught or baked up in a lab in a basement in Ohio somewhere, and that they will pay to have it in their tanks and no one elses.

And to those disgusted, saying they are mutations...we are all mutations.

~J

P.S. Pie > Cake